Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

foxie48

Sago the question I asked which you haven't answered was,
"if currently the ethnicity of criminals isn't recorded, what makes you think immigration is relevant? "
Actually the Ministry of Justice does collect information on the ethnicity of prisoners but it does not record immigration status. There isn't any evidence to suggest that immigrants, "illegal" or otherwise commit more crimes than British nationals but perhaps when they are convicted of a crime it is possible that this is more widely reported in the media? If you find anything that provides evidence that "immigrants" commit more crimes, if you attach a link, I will, of course, read it.

I suppose if you believe something, it's easy enough to find evidence to back up your thoughts.

Grammaretto

We hosted a Sudanese asylum seeker 30 years ago for about 6 months. The civil war there was terrible . Peter was from Juba in the Christian South and was a mature student in Edinburgh when we heard of his plight. He sought asylum and managed, via the church, to bring his wife and 2 children here to join him. His mother died in a refugee camp in Kenya.

Once his family arrived he was so relieved and relaxed. They found housing in Edinburgh and are still here. Both found work and their DC are doing well.

Since then ofcourse the political situation has changed in both our countries. South Sudan became a separate country but the fighting continues.

Here the sympathy for people escaping war has waned.

Btw Peter is the most anti -Moslem person I know.

I thought he would return to Sudan once the war was over. He would tell us of the beauty of his country. The fertile Nile valley the forests and animals. He was a vet.

I think here people probably like to think their good deed isn't going to be forever. 6 months yes but surely not for longer.

We should be putting our resources into creating peace in these war-torn countries instead of picking the sores of the horrible incidents we hear of in the news.

That is a lovely story Grammaretto.
What a wonderful thing you did for that young man and his family.

Unfortunately I feel that because of the huge influx of single young men arriving here undocumented and then behaving in a ways alien to our culture that will be few reaching out to the deserving.

'Be interesting to see how many migrant supporters on here offer to take them into their homes!'

Excellent point, Primrose53. I have a right-on friend who tut tuts at people who do not mirror her own idealism regarding migration (let 'em all come, etc. etc.) but who, although she has plenty of spare accommodation, feels that she 'wouldn't be up to having other people living in her house' (that's a direct quote). Classic case of do as I say, . . .

greyfur

foxie48

Sago the question I asked which you haven't answered was,
"if currently the ethnicity of criminals isn't recorded, what makes you think immigration is relevant? "
Actually the Ministry of Justice does collect information on the ethnicity of prisoners but it does not record immigration status. There isn't any evidence to suggest that immigrants, "illegal" or otherwise commit more crimes than British nationals but perhaps when they are convicted of a crime it is possible that this is more widely reported in the media? If you find anything that provides evidence that "immigrants" commit more crimes, if you attach a link, I will, of course, read it.

I suppose if you believe something, it's easy enough to find evidence to back up your thoughts.

While the MoJ does collect this data, tracking ethnicity is not mandatory. As a result, the statistics face several notable gaps:Missing Ethnicity Records: Approximately 33% to 36% of defendants' ethnicities are listed as "unknown" at the Crown Court and magistrates' courts. This frequently occurs in less serious offences handled via the Single Justice Procedure.Immigration and Status: The Ministry of Justice does not routinely publish comprehensive breakdowns of all crime perpetrators categorized by strict immigration status or nationality.Offender Characteristics vs. VictimizationThe MoJ focuses on the demographic characteristics of defendants and convicted offenders. In contrast, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) measures crime from the victim's perspective using the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW).

Ethnicity is a self identified category so it relies on someone answering the question and you don't have to.

foxie48

Ethnicity is a self identified category so it relies on someone answering the question and you don't have to.

Yes, even more concerning.

This Labour government are so out of touch with what most of the British people want which is less immigration. Perhaps 30 years ago this policy would have been welcomed but now after all the illegal immigration, the fiasco with the hotels, HMOs and now the military barracks with more men in them than residents in the villages, men who are free to come and go as they please, people have had enough. Why not offer this scheme to British Veterans and they wonder why voters are turning to Reform.

If you look at the ethnicities which have been recorded, you'll see that some groups such as black Caribbeans are over-represented while Bangladeshis and "Asians" are under-represented. Black Africans are slightly more likely to be arrested than average.

Black Caribbeans are twice as likely to be arrested than average. That could be because they are targetted by the police or it could be that they really are more likely to be involved in criminal activities, perhaps connected to their environment - I honestly don't know.

What is interesting, however, is that almost nobody arriving by boat in Dover and claiming asylum is from a black Caribbean background. The people who are arriving belong to groups which aren't over-represented in the ethnicity crime figures.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

Sunshinegirls

This Labour government are so out of touch with what most of the British people want which is less immigration. Perhaps 30 years ago this policy would have been welcomed but now after all the illegal immigration, the fiasco with the hotels, HMOs and now the military barracks with more men in them than residents in the villages, men who are free to come and go as they please, people have had enough. Why not offer this scheme to British Veterans and they wonder why voters are turning to Reform.

Where's your evidence that most British people want less immigration? Or that people have had enough? Most voters aren't turning to Reform.

Chestnut

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Claiming to be much younger is a well known ruse Chestnut. They know if they claim to be a child they will go to a nice, cozy family home and get well looked after.

Look at this vile creature who killed an aspiring Royal Marine and had also attacked his foster Mother.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21143259/foster-mum-asylum-seeker-killed-brit-attacked-her/

Strange to consider that if the Labour Government, who won a huge majority, yes, I know, there was an element of tactical voting, was so 'out of touch' with what the majority of citizens want, then how do you attempt to explain that majority?
Puzzling, isn't it?

Now I didn't know that CatsWhiskas.
Maybe Posters don't usually dig so deeply into the actual stats.
Thanks.

Primrose53

Chestnut

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Claiming to be much younger is a well known ruse Chestnut. They know if they claim to be a child they will go to a nice, cozy family home and get well looked after.

Look at this vile creature who killed an aspiring Royal Marine and had also attacked his foster Mother.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21143259/foster-mum-asylum-seeker-killed-brit-attacked-her/

You could have posed numerous links to vile white British creatures.

What exactly are you trying to prove?

Maremia

Now I didn't know that CatsWhiskas.
Maybe Posters don't usually dig so deeply into the actual stats.
Thanks.

Facts from reliable sources are always count for more than hearsay, gossip and anecdote.

Maremia

Strange to consider that if the Labour Government, who won a huge majority, yes, I know, there was an element of tactical voting, was so 'out of touch' with what the majority of citizens want, then how do you attempt to explain that majority?
Puzzling, isn't it?

It's extremely puzzling.

The only explanation if both hypotheses (Labour majority/tactical voting and the claim that most people now want Reform) are true, is that the the voting public is incredibly fickle. If it really is that fickle, it would be impossible to be "in touch" and I'm not sure the public's opinion would be reliable enough for policy to be based on it anyway.

I suspect Labour MPs are a lot more "in touch" than people think.

AGAA4

What a very unpleasant thread.

Why? Because you don't like the fact what she's saying is true and want to shut her down?

CatsWhiskas

Primrose53

Chestnut

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Claiming to be much younger is a well known ruse Chestnut. They know if they claim to be a child they will go to a nice, cozy family home and get well looked after.

Look at this vile creature who killed an aspiring Royal Marine and had also attacked his foster Mother.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21143259/foster-mum-asylum-seeker-killed-brit-attacked-her/

You could have posed numerous links to vile white British creatures.

What exactly are you trying to prove?

This always comes up. Of course we have our own white British criminals and plenty of them. They are a product of a broken society and you could argue all day about why that is, whether social media/internet, poverty, drugs, immigration, media in general (violent movies, games, music) plenty of reasons why young people are stabbing each other almost on a daily basis.

The point is, we don't want any more disaffected young men here than we already have! Some people seem unable to grasp that, and just keep asking that same question.

Betony

'Be interesting to see how many migrant supporters on here offer to take them into their homes!'

Excellent point, Primrose53. I have a right-on friend who tut tuts at people who do not mirror her own idealism regarding migration (let 'em all come, etc. etc.) but who, although she has plenty of spare accommodation, feels that she 'wouldn't be up to having other people living in her house' (that's a direct quote). Classic case of do as I say, . . .

Be careful you'll get branded a facist if you state facts.

Primrose53

I believe mainly from Eritrea and Sudan.

Be interesting to see how many migrant supporters on here offer to take them into their homes!

If it’s the same as Ukrainian scheme you will get paid about £380 a month.

Getting ready for the usual excuses - haven’t got a spare room, can’t afford it, I live in a flat, I am too old, my second cousin twice removed lives with me etc etc. 🤣

Well, this is a fact.

I'm afraid those who claim they heartily welcome refugees and migrants pitching up on the Kent coast suddenly find their haloes become tarnished when asked the question "so you're saying you're willing to give a migrant houseroom?"

Oh dear........

What about homeless veterans? Is there a scheme for that?

Of course they will all be women and children, right?

bookwormbabe

What about homeless veterans? Is there a scheme for that?

Yes there are several schemes. And yes provision isn’t good enough. And yes our society can help both groups. And yes we have just spent around £345 m on a white elephant in the Mall.

CatsWhiskas

Primrose53

Chestnut

Be careful who you let into your home. For two years an elderly couple in Sunbury-on-Thames looked after an 16 year old Iraqi called Ahmed Hassan who had claimed to be an asylum seeker. Then aged 18 he planted a bomb on the tube train at Parsons Green in 2017. It was an act of terrorism and 30 people were injured. He was arrested at Dover on his way out of the country and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 34 years. The jury believed he was older than he said.

Claiming to be much younger is a well known ruse Chestnut. They know if they claim to be a child they will go to a nice, cozy family home and get well looked after.

Look at this vile creature who killed an aspiring Royal Marine and had also attacked his foster Mother.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21143259/foster-mum-asylum-seeker-killed-brit-attacked-her/

You could have posed numerous links to vile white British creatures.

What exactly are you trying to prove?

I am pointing out that it is very dangerous to take people in to your home who you know nothing about. It wasn’t to do with colour as you seem to suggest.

I can only remember one case of a white person turning on the person who took them in. If my memory is correct it was a Vicar who was murdered and his daughter was raped.

I am sure people mean well but I don’t think it’s worth the risk. My Mum’s neighbour is a very religious churchgoer and she took a woman in who just turned up at the village Church with a sob story. She fed her, did her washing, gave her a lovely room etc and the woman left after a week without a thank you and taking most of her host’s better clothes with her!

Years ago I had a friend of my daughter from college to stay. I didn’t know at the time she had a troubled past. She stole cash, a mobile phone and charger and believe it or not, a horse rug! My daughter was heartbroken and we were very upset because I gave her the chance to put the items back and we would say no more but she absolutely turned on me and called me every name under the sun. I contacted her parents and they said I was not to confront her!

I would never have anybody I do not know well staying in my house. Actually my Aunt in Ireland ran a B and B and she used to tell us about weird people who stayed there. No thanks!

bookwormbabe

What about homeless veterans? Is there a scheme for that?

Are you volunteering to take a homeless veteran in?

olderthanidlike don't put words into my mouth and Primrose isn't right. People have been and are taking in immigrants. Some of the posters on here have done so.
How do you suggest we deal with immigration?