Sympathy for Harry anyone?

I’ve been in the ‘against’ camp since the birth of Archie when they deliberately misled the press and public with delayed announcements and made it clear they were doing things their way.

Why wouldn't they? Why would this make anyone "against" them? It makes no sense.

They had the right to decide when and how to introduce their new baby to others, just as we did when ours were born.

The British public did not own them, could not (and should not) dictate the decisions they make about their own children.

I think it's embarrassing all round - none of us know what the real truth is about any of them and after the Andrew revelations I have little time or interest in them. The press are totally one-sided and only favour the King and William/his family - who is to say they behave any better behind closed doors. I know a lot of people are hoping that when William becomes King there will be a positive shift for the monarchy because he's his mother's son, but so is Harry.

I have a belief that both sons know what really happened to Diana, their mum, but William being heir to the throne has to follow protocol and keep schtum, Harry not so much.

Absolutely M0nica. All of the 'will they, wont they' in the media attracts attention when they could of they wanted too, have kept Meghan and the children coming a secret.

They love the publicity and 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' seems to be their mantra.

Keep schtum about what Boing? Harry hasn't 'revealed' anything about the tragic death of Diana that wasn't already in the public domain.

Not yet.
Who's to say he won't?
Certainly nobody here.

I doubt he knows anything about his mother's death that isn't already in the public domain. If she had been wearing a seat belt she would have survived.

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't know more.
One thing is for sure - he certainly knows more about his own family dynamics than anyone on here.

I felt disgusted at seeing those boys walking behind Diana’s hearse. How late Queen sanctioned that as a grandmother I cannot imagine. Harry looked so small. William looking at his feet. What a close bond those boys had. I blame Megan who H was and still is besotted with. She says jump he says how high.She is a narcissist, everything is about her. Camilla too has nothing to be proud of, I can’t call her Queen but first to agree that she and Charles are made for each other, pity D was used like a pawn in a game by the pair, that had to affect those boys.
Whilst H is with M I cannot see way forward. They want half in half out as they said at beginning. Look at Harry's face and inside he is broken.

Nobody here is qualified to diagnose someone with narcissism.
Particularly by seeing soneone through a lens.

Thats ridiculous.

Happy to see that the King has met his grandchildren, Megan and Harry without the usual publicity. A step in the right direction maybe.

Yes Violetbynight, I too am very glad to see that the grandchildren have met their grandfather. I hope that the estrangement will end for them all now.

In answer to the OP's question, No, I don't feel sorry for Harry. I have just read an article by Tony Parsons saying how cruel Harry was in inveigling Dame Doreen Lawrence into his fight against the Daily Mail, a newspaper who had supported her fight for justice for her son Stephen. He told her he had uncovered evidence that she had been hacked by the newspaper, something that was proved in court to be a bare-faced lie. Doreen Lawrence was used by Harry, plain and simple. Without her it looked like celebrities versus the DM but with her on board it added some gravitas to his case. They now have to find £50m to pay their legal bill. The very least Harry can do is to pay Dame Doreen Lawrence's share. It's the least he can do after lying to this lady who has had such turmoil in her life. Shame on him.

I do have sympathy for Harry as I have outlined on the other live thread about him. In summary:

What I see is a man who has had an unhappy childhood with a deep well of sadness inside him..
I am glad he has found happiness with his wife and children.
He is always going to be saddled with his heritage and the scars from his childhood, but he has done good things in spite of this: served with distinction in the armed forces and started the Invictus Games.
Even if people feel he has done some things wrong and made mistakes as all of us do, I cannot see where the hatred comes from or why anyone would waste their time on it. He is not our relative or neighbour and his actions do not impinge on us in any way. He is not being paid from our taxes. Why expend a moment of life on this?
I honestly think it is not good for people to harbour this hatred. It is a puzzle to me.

But Luckygirl13 you’ve just spent more than a moment on this person who is not your relative or neighbour and his actions do not impinge on you in any way.
I haven’t counted exactly how many posters have expressed the hatred that you say people are harbouring.
But whether it’s good for them or not it’s not our business.
We can’t know or prove whether Harry has found happiness with his wife and children or whether he has a deep well of sadness.
We can only, as you do, post our own opinions

Molly ... it seemed important to me not to join the media-led and selectively media-informed vendetta against this couple, not because they are any part of my life, but because I am deeply concerned about fairness and about the sort of trial-by-social media that features so much now. It feels wrong in principle.

Luckygirl13
You are over invested....seriously.

If you say so!

Gosh!
😅😫

Luckygirl3

Molly ... it seemed important to me not to join the media-led and selectively media-informed vendetta against this couple, not because they are any part of my life, but because I am deeply concerned about fairness and about the sort of trial-by-social media that features so much now. It feels wrong in principle.

But you are joining the media-led and selectively informed simply by your participation on a form of social media. You are doing what the media do-in putting forward your POV about a couple you know nothing about except through the media.

No - I am telling people that none of us know what is really going on or what the truth is. We do not know whether Harry's grievances are valid - but this does not stop people condemning him. This is my concern.

We all only really know what the media tell us, and we know what they did to Diana, and to Meghan who was briefly flavour of the month and then they turned on her and everyone followed. There were times when it felt as though she and Catherine could have done something identical and the one would be lauded for it and the other slated.

But if none of us know what the truth is
Then one opinion is as valid as another.

The guessing game in your last paragraph shows how easy you find it to make comparisons between two things that haven’t happened. That’s a typical medua action.

There were a few news items about M and H visit to the UK here. All positive and glad that they were able to meet with the family. They tend to not bother with the negative things here and when they visited Australia all our news items were positive. Unlike the reporting in the UK. Different perceptions I suppose. I wouldn’t say Meghan was popular, they just don’t particularly comment on her. but mostly they are positive about Harry except recently over his court case.

It is good to hear thst Australia is reporting in a positive way.

*But if none of us know what the truth is
Then one opinion is as valid as another.* That is of course true. We then have the choice to say nothing, say something positive or join in a vendetta of accusations.
I am at a loss to know why some people choose the latter.

Luckygirl13
I think your issue is that because you disagree with what a lot of us are saying on this thread about M and H, you want to 'tell us off'. It doesn't work that way.
You remind me of elderly, disapproving aunt telling teenage nieces and nephews to stop misbehaving.
It doesn't work that way. You can't police grown women like this.
You are activity encouraging more negativity about them by expressing yourself.
Why not start a positive thread about them?

MarieElla

Luckygirl13
I think your issue is that because you disagree with what a lot of us are saying on this thread about M and H, you want to 'tell us off'. It doesn't work that way.
You remind me of elderly, disapproving aunt telling teenage nieces and nephews to stop misbehaving.
It doesn't work that way. You can't police grown women like this.
You are activity encouraging more negativity about them by expressing yourself.
Why not start a positive thread about them?

I think you make a good point MarieElla.

We all have a right to express our opinions and to disagree with some opinions, but explaining that your way is better, expressing surprise or puzzlement that anyone can have a different opinion or telling off rather smacks of VS. 🙏

What I find fascinating about it all is that there is clear evidence that H&M lie about things that cause great grief and trouble to others and yet there are those who just will not accept it. It’s rather like the mothers of murderers who always claim he was a lovely boy who wouldn’t hurt a fly.

The other thing is they never say why or give evidence to support the claims that he is a good person. Just deny and deflect from all the evidence out there, some of which comes from his own book!