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Gaza, I despair.

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greyfur Thu 16-Jul-26 21:00:19

What those people must be going through. Having had a few hot days gives us some understanding. To be without water and a home in the heat.The whole place is destroyed. And now Trump is waiting for Netanyahu to finish it off.

Rosie51 Wed 29-Jul-26 18:19:40

Aveline

I didn't realise my original post had been deleted. GN has not contacted me. So we're not allowed to even comment on a widely shared news item? I resent this censorship.
Obviously antisemitism is not good but neither is condoning violence against Palestinians by illegal Israeli 'settlers'.

Obviously antisemitism is not good surely that's an understatement it's abhorrent to any decent person as is condoning any violence? And you didn't condemn it in your post at all, just said it's 'hardly surprising' which came across as quite indifferent at best and excusing it at worst.
Let's not forget that the victims include Jewish school children who have been being targeted by the antisemitism performed in the name of support for Gaza and the West Bank. How does antisemitism help even one person in Palestine?

Wyllow3 Wed 29-Jul-26 18:27:07

No you don't have to be told.

petra Wed 29-Jul-26 18:33:59

I wonder if anything will come from this open letter to Trump.

petra.gov.jo/en/news/in-letter-to-trump-former-israeli-security-leaders-urge-intervention-to-stop-settler-terrorism

Aveline Wed 29-Jul-26 18:36:36

Rosie51 you just don't get my point.

Maremia Wed 29-Jul-26 18:56:29

They are so brave, standing up to the Government forces, petra.

Maremia Wed 29-Jul-26 19:10:02

Their election is not until October, I think, but hoping that the decent citizens of Israel are able to vote in equally decent politicians.

choughdancer Wed 29-Jul-26 20:02:15

I found this organisation today and have donated. I won't give a link, but a Google found it easily when I wanted to check it was legitimate. It's 'Standing Together', and I like that it is an organisation of Israelis and Palestinians working together.

Aveline Wed 29-Jul-26 20:18:51

That's got to be the way ahead.

Wyllow3 Wed 29-Jul-26 22:58:52

Yes. The more organisations in the area where they seek to work this way ❤️.

I wasn't sure whether to post this but felt it spoke volumes.

Something terribly sad in Haaretz today.

"IDF's mental health crisis deepens as two more soldiers die by suicide"

What happens when some young people are forced to take up arms, what they have seen, what they are forced to do. It can harden you - or break you.

Quote here is directly from Haaretz

"Military Police probing death by suicide of two Israeli soldiers

Two female IDF soldiers died by suicide over the past two days, continuing a trend that began after October 7, 2023, of rising suicides within Israel's defense establishment.

In southern Israel, a combat soldier died on Tuesday after being found injured at an IDF base, while another soldier who served in a classified role in Military Intelligence died two days earlier at a base in the center of the country, prompting the Military Police to open an investigation into the circumstances of both cases.

Since the beginning of 2026, at least 16 active-duty soldiers have died by suicide, as well as nine additional soldiers who served during the war but were not on active duty at the time of their death. In the decade before the October 7 war, the average number of military suicides was 12 per year. Since then, the number has risen, with 22 dying by suicide in 2025 – the highest figure in 15 years.

Officially, the military's Mental Health Department says it has not identified clear common characteristics among suicide cases since the start of the war, and attributes the figures to the increase in the amount of time people are serving, particularly in the reserves."

It is important not to paint all as monsters as has sometimes happened.

Maremia Thu 30-Jul-26 07:06:18

Important to now know that too.

AGAA4 Thu 30-Jul-26 08:10:45

The monsters are Netanyahu's regime.
Israel is moving the yellow line further into Gaza displacing more families. They occupy 53% and. Netanyahu aims for 70%. Palestinians say death is preferable to being moved on continually and humiliated. BBC verify.

Samwam Thu 30-Jul-26 10:06:59

The UK Government after pressure from 80. MPs to call what Israel is doing a genocide and to sanction Isreal refused.

In UK we had a reputation of upholding international law

British surgeon: "I feel quite angry that this country (UK) which traditionally has stood for justice, and has stood up for the oppressed, and has an international reputation for doing that, is letting this genocide go by and doing nothing about it”.

If ever there was an issue that could so clearly define a leader it is Gaza and the West Bank. When our surgeons are returning with clear anger in their hearts at the stance of our government, any leader worthy of the name would take decisive action.

Burnham can fiddle around with bus fares and help out the homeless, which OF COURSE is needed, but standing up to Israel in word AND deed is pivotal if he wants us to believe his rhetoric about being different.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 30-Jul-26 10:12:38

samwam very early days. I think patience will bring its reward, as I am sure Burnham will make his displeasure at Israel’s actions known. Not that they will take any notice.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 30-Jul-26 10:17:21

I despair over all conflicts, not just Gaza.

Sudan

Nigeria and Democratic Republic of Congo where Christian’s are kidnapped and targets for killing and violence.

Iran where young girls are being hung for protesting along with anyone who opposes the regime.

Afghanistan where women are being eradicated from every day life.

Ukraine

Myanmar where civil war is raging…

Maremia Thu 30-Jul-26 11:02:52

Yes, they are all tragic GG13.
We seem unable to help.
But worth trying to, wherever you can.

Maremia Thu 30-Jul-26 11:09:26

The Rohinga in Myanmar, which is also enduring a civil war.
But I feel we can make some impact for the people of Gaza.

AGAA4 Thu 30-Jul-26 11:36:08

All those conflicts mentioned are awful. People suffer in so many countries.

The difference is that Israel portrays itself as a civilised country but the actions of their regime are the opposite of civilised.
The devastation they have caused in Gaza, the numbers of men, women and children they have killed are actions that should not be accepted by anyone.

Aveline Thu 30-Jul-26 11:46:40

Be careful. Someone will think you're antisemitic! (I know what you mean though)

Maremia Thu 30-Jul-26 11:50:40

Yes Posters, it is the Regime, and not the ordinary decent people of Israel, who face that accusation of Genocide.
Being against the accused of war crimes, Netanyahu, is exactly that.
It is not antisemitism.

AGAA4 Thu 30-Jul-26 13:37:41

People have used antisemitism on the threads about Gaza to try to close the discussion down.
To find the actions of Netanyahu and others in Knesset abhorrent is not antisemitic.

Wyllow3 Thu 30-Jul-26 16:33:37

Be aware of false news coming out - GG13 you say

"Iran where young girls are being hung for protesting along with anyone who opposes the regime"

No. Trump claimed they were and showed 8 images of young women who turned out to be AI generated

Investigated by France 24
Watch this video
www.france24.com/en/both-trump-and-iran-share-false-information-about-8-women-facing-execution-by-the-regime

I have seen these same images out on social media (instagram) being presented as the truth.
It's rather more complicated than it would seem.

Yes the revolutionary guards are taking action against a few, but not on the mass scale of the uprising long before the war started.

Many of the riots were actually cost of living riots, inflation is extremely high becuase although Iran can produce a lot of their own food, years of economic sanctions that hit ordinary people very hard are now worse than ever internally.

Just see wider than what is thrown at us, it may new false information.

for example, did people know that

Iran has a remarkably high percentage of female medical students and doctors, with women making up roughly 50% of general practitioners, over 50% of medical residents, and historically reaching up to 70% of incoming medical and science students

(Is this something you would have imagined?)

While whether it holds the absolute "greatest" global rank is hard to verify uniformly against all nations, its female enrollment in medical fields is among the highest in the Middle East

brieflands.com/journals/ijpbs/articles/64643

Wyllow3 Thu 30-Jul-26 16:38:18

( I should add I am acquainted with an Iranian academic in my city, whom I talk to regularly. He is not religious and of course hostile to the regime

- but he does have a sister in Terhran and is au fait with the realities not the falsehoods put out by Trump or the Iranian regime - but I always check what he says as far as possible. I had no idea women had so much access to higher and further education and professional life for example.)

GrannyGravy13 Thu 30-Jul-26 17:05:56

Wyllow3 Amnesty International have details of hangings, along with violence and imprisonment of protesters.

Yes I am aware that women are in medical positions and participate in higher education in Iran.

I do not get my news/information from the current POTUS

Wyllow3 Thu 30-Jul-26 18:21:24

Yes they did. And very evil too. and as recently as last year March/April 25. There has been some change but the laws remain the same. But when we are getting invented AI information prepared by the CIA...

Its a matter of looking at what is happening now, and being aware of invented information, but also be clear around assumptions about womens position in society as opposed to the stereotype as in some assuming its like Afghanistan or similar.

Maremia Fri 31-Jul-26 06:23:19

I did not know that, about female education in Iran.

Came on to say that there are reports about Hamas giving up weapons.
Has been promised before, so will wait and see.