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BBC have reported the following about Reform!

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foxie48 Wed 09-Sept-26 15:16:24

"The Metropolitan Police is carrying out a criminal investigation into allegations Reform UK broke the law in relation to foreign funding, following a broadcast by Channel 4 News last week."

I didn't watch the programme but I will now as it was recommended on the Rest is Politics as shining a light on how Reform conducts it's business.

Cossy Sat 12-Sept-26 14:34:14

AGAA4

I think many people have paused for thought and found reasons why people follow Reform.
They want to believe that what Farage says is true, that he will stop the boats and end all the worries they have about asylum seekers.
His ideas for this are illegal and unworkable.
Who can blame them when the media has been full of articles about the boat people.

It worries me that people do focus on this and not the harm Farage could do by bringing crypto currency businesses to the UK and in the unlikely event of him becoming PM the influence the crypto millionaires could have on our country.

If I’m brutally honest, it seems the majority of his supporters just don’t care, so long as Reform rid this country of every last asylum seeker, and, whether they choose to admit it or not, some would also like to see some of those non British born here quite legally thrown out too.

I don’t really understand what happens then??

There seem to be many versions of what Reform wish to do with the NHS, ranging from full on privatisation, modelling on the USA, to a sort of hybrid version. I’ve heard talk of raising the tax free threshold. Then this was withdrawn, talk of reducing the welfare bill quite dramatically impacting the disabled, but nothing much more tbh.

Can anyone enlighten me?

AGAA4 Sat 12-Sept-26 14:40:30

Cossy I don't think Reform know what they are doing either. They are in too much of a mess.

LemonJam Sat 12-Sept-26 14:45:11

Farage sacked his head of policy James Orr. Who else has the skills and time to develop policy currently.

Reform UK Ltd is certainly rich enough to employ legitimate policy advisors but who knows how Reform UK Ltd £money is spent?

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 14:45:50

Can anyone enlighten me

Have you ever thought of using google?
Ask your questions and you get all your answers!

Galaxy Sat 12-Sept-26 14:47:22

I dont really understand why it is truly shocking, they have been voting against the levels of immigration ( both legal and illegal I am afraid) for over a decade. This has got them no where, all the other parties have failed them. Of course they will look elsewhere. To be honest I would be grateful that reform is acting as a depository for those concerns because if Reform weren't there it really wouldnt be pretty.
I think it is also more complex than simply 'immigration', I myself think most of the identity politics/ middle class beliefs are bonkers and divisive, and I come from the left, I suspect those voting for reform think political parties/organisations have lost their minds.
Oh and of course Farage is dodgy and will achieve the square root of bugger all but that in a sense isnt the issue.

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 14:49:16

The main reason I’ll be voting Reform.

Mass Deportations & "Stop the Boats": Aim for hundreds of thousands of deportations and use the Royal Navy to stop migrant boats in the English Channel

👏 👏 👏

Cossy Sat 12-Sept-26 14:49:28

Kandinsky

*Can anyone enlighten me*

Have you ever thought of using google?
Ask your questions and you get all your answers!

Of course I had, but often people on here support Farage and his actions. Not once have any of them answered any questions directed to them by either myself or any other poster. I don’t an AI generated answer. I’d like to hear from a “human”.

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 14:50:01

No one else will do that!

Cossy Sat 12-Sept-26 14:52:32

Kandinsky

The main reason I’ll be voting Reform.

Mass Deportations & "Stop the Boats": Aim for hundreds of thousands of deportations and use the Royal Navy to stop migrant boats in the English Channel

👏 👏 👏

Thank you.

Once this is done, what other policies and actions will you be supporting?

Btw, sorry to burst your bubble, but you do know this cannot and will not ever ever happen? However much you and all the rest of Reform’s voters wish it to happen, it’s not going to happen, for a myriad of reasons.

But I do appreciate you having the courage of your convictions and actually answering in an honest and open way.

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 14:55:39

Cossy
Are you not on any other SM?
Gransnet hasn’t got many reform voters ( or if it has most of them can’t be bothered to get into arguments about their choices )
You might be better off on X.
It’s clearly a subject you’re very passionate about and want answers to, but I don’t think you’ll get far on here. grin

Cossy Sat 12-Sept-26 15:01:30

Kandinsky

Cossy
Are you not on any other SM?
Gransnet hasn’t got many reform voters ( or if it has most of them can’t be bothered to get into arguments about their choices )
You might be better off on X.
It’s clearly a subject you’re very passionate about and want answers to, but I don’t think you’ll get far on here. grin

I’m on FB. Frankly I would not dare ask the Reform supporters that come up on my feed any questions.

They are extremely aggressive when questioned about anything and the names that they call those daring to ask questions is beyond the pale, even for me.

I’m passionate about politics, not about Farage or Reform!

At least I knew on here I’d either be ignored or given a fairly straight answer, not totally abused. flowers

Cossy Sat 12-Sept-26 15:01:57

I don’t use X for many reasons.

petra Sat 12-Sept-26 15:06:04

Cossy
It’s quite simple. The reason people support Farage is because he sticks two fingers up to the two parties who they believe have let them down.
They also need someone to blame for the situation they find themselves in. Farage has given them a focus for their grievances: migrants and benefits.

AGAA4 Sat 12-Sept-26 15:06:25

I'm interested to know how Kandinsky thinks this will work.
Mass deportations. Where will they dump the people?
The Royal Navy will not be used in that way.

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 15:07:35

Always happy to talk to you, even though we’re mikes apart politically thanks

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 15:09:50

Mass deportations. Where will they dump the people

Why are they allowed to be ‘dumped’ here?
You happy with that?

Casdon Sat 12-Sept-26 15:12:51

It’s all very simple in the Reform bubble.

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 15:14:20

Maybe ask the very middle class people of Piddington who they’ll be voting for in the next general election.

Casdon Sat 12-Sept-26 15:15:57

It’ll be the Tories, I have no doubt Kandinsky.

MaizieD Sat 12-Sept-26 15:20:31

Kandinsky

*Mass deportations. Where will they dump the people*

Why are they allowed to be ‘dumped’ here?
You happy with that?

Your understanding of the English language must be different from mine, Kandinsky because I don't see anyone being 'dumped' here. They come here of their own free will, don't they?

Unless, of course, you are saying that the asylum seekers you so detest are being trafficked here in very large numbers.

Kandinsky Sat 12-Sept-26 15:31:52

It’s interesting actually, these very middle class women who are protesting madly against asylum seekers being housed near their pretty little village. They have a Liberal Democrat MP, who I’m assuming a lot of them voted for.
Aren’t liberals supposed ro be lovely people who welcome asylum seekers?
Don’t they sneer at reform voters?

A massive case of NIMBY ism if ever there was one.

LemonJam Sat 12-Sept-26 15:34:17

Kandinsky

*Can anyone enlighten me*

Have you ever thought of using google?
Ask your questions and you get all your answers!

The trouble is google merely provides Reform UK "proposals* and not much more. Labour has reduced small boat crossing by nearly 50% over past 12 months and huge success. Aside from asylum seekers the majority of UK voters are also concerned about cost of living, NHS, defence, education etc etc. Take one of those issues what Reform wish to do with the NHS as Cossy asked. Taking your challenge- Google states Reform UK :

Core Healthcare Proposals

NHS Voucher Scheme Introduce vouchers for fully funded private medical treatment if patients face specific wait times: failing to see a GP within 3 days, a consultant within 3 weeks, or having an operation within 9 weeks.
Private Sector Expansion Use independent and not-for-profit health providers to help drive NHS waiting lists down to zero within two years.
Tax Relief Offer a 20% tax relief on private healthcare and medical insurance to relieve pressure on the public system, alongside exempting frontline healthcare workers from the basic rate of income tax for three years to aid recruitment and retention.
Efficiency and Management Cuts Cut back-office waste and unnecessary managers, keep operating theatres open on weekends, and implement fines or charges for patients who miss appointments without notice.

Critics argue that shifting resources toward private care and tax breaks acts as a step toward an insurance-based or two-tier system Party leader Nigel Farage has previously stated an openness to examining alternative funding models—such as the French social insurance system—for greater long-term efficiency, though the party has downplayed immediate shifts to an insurance-only model due to logistical and legal hurdles

So Reform Uk would need to:
1) Find money PDQ to reward those who pay for private healthcare with a tax reduction
2) Find the money PDQ to cover voucher costs for those on the NHS waiting list to use in the private sector for their private sector treatment
3) Somehow find the money PDQ to enable the private sector surge to meet this new manipulated state funded demand in the short term.
4) Some NHS operating departments and diagnostic centres already do operate and stay open over weekends so Reform UK seek to find increased £ PDQ to expand this further and ensure sufficient staff available and pay enhanced rates.
5) Find the money PDQ to exempt frontline healthcare workers from basic rate of income tax for three years to aid recruitment and selection. The NHS employees approx 758,242 full time equivalent professionally qualified clinical frontline staff (this does not include unqualified care assistants, operating department assistants, porters, cleaners etc etc who are also front line staff) out of a total workforce head count of 1.55 million. thats a huge HMRC tax revenue loss over a 3 year period

Reform UK is clearly signposting by its unfunded proposals that it will intentionally shift investment of government finances to increase service provision in the private sector to meet healthcare demand. Reform UK has no policy document detailing any of these proposals and neither has it indicated how such proposals would be funded It has made many proposals then U turned over the years and realise the impossibility of implementation. Like all Reform UK proposals no mention of how the party would overcome legal hurdles Would you Trust Reform UK at a future stage to not then seek to shift responsibility for paying for private sector healthcare to employers via a employee/employer contribution insurance based healthcare model with deductibles as in the US leaving retired , poor, disabled and not actively working people without healthcare access?

Quite frankly proposals count for little unless detailed and funded. Lack of Reform UK policy demonstrates Reform UK’s proposals are pie in the sky and that the party is nowhere near being ready to govern. 







Whitewavemark2 Sat 12-Sept-26 15:34:39

Omg - I didn’t realise that Reform has received TWO lots of 26million.

Party of the people indeed🙄

LemonJam Sat 12-Sept-26 15:34:55

All as clear as mud!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 12-Sept-26 15:35:40

Carry on like this and they will be able to buy the country