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Let's start a blitz on bad grammar - nationwide

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Despairing Thu 05-May-11 16:46:18

commencing with obliterating the dreaded and entirely unnecessary use of the word 'up', eg.listen up, park up, first up, next up and the most hideous - meet up.

What I ask is wrong with the correct versions: listen, park, first, next, meet.

Over to you....
'Despairing'
PS Tomorrow the siXth May, listen to most of the TV presenters saying SITH!

milliej Tue 10-May-11 21:49:41

Why can't people say sixth anymore? Yes that's one really annoys me. I find myself yelling at the tele (tele?) smile IT'S SIXTH FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!

Forum threads? Shouldn't that be forum posts? Threads are the different subjects. smile. (unless this website is different of course!).

milliej Tue 10-May-11 21:52:41

Oh I think there are different 'threads' on this subject so apologies!blush

em Wed 11-May-11 00:07:12

How do we feel about using 'like' instead of 'said'?
Eg She was like 'Want to go to the shop?' and I'm like 'Don't have any money' so she's like 'I'll lend you some' and I'm like 'Ok. Let's go'.
Where did this start?

AND another rant!

Q. How are you? A. Yes I'm ok.

A question beginning with HOW doesn't need a yes/no answer.

I am very much enjoying the opportunity to meet people who are as nit-picking about grammar as I am! It's wonderful to have others agree with our pedantic points instead of being met with the raised eyebrows and shrugged shoulders.

smiley Wed 11-May-11 08:33:54

I agree with everyone and can think of a few more 'gripes' but thank you for making me laugh, just what I needed

Valkyrie Wed 11-May-11 09:17:57

I thought thread was for sewing buttons onto a garment.
Regarding vocabulary and swearing - swearing is a sign of having lack of vocabulary (or is that less)

Joan Wed 11-May-11 09:21:00

I certainly agree about the use of 'like' to denote quoted speech. It is horrible, but it seems to be confined to young people - for now.

Nono Wed 11-May-11 09:39:57

I am surprised that the response to 'How are you?' being 'I am good.' doesn't get more comment (only 1 that I found) - so I will add my hatred of this to the list.
Another one I dislike is 'Take care' instead of a simple 'Goodbye' or worse 'See you soon' - which, as has already been mentioned, bears no relation to whether one will or not.
This is such fun... and I had thought I was in the minority!

Livey Wed 11-May-11 11:43:14

This is just a pet hate, Christmas being called Xmas...

gotthetshirt Wed 11-May-11 18:47:48

And what about all the people who say "bored of" instead of "bored with".

limpyleg Thu 12-May-11 08:57:10

I've just this minute joined and it's so lovely to have somewhere to moan! If I make an innocent remark to my youngest daughter about her misuse of lie and lay for instance, she just laughs and says "oh you're such an old granny!" I can't really argue with that, so hello to all the rest of you. I apologize in advance that my spelling is deteriorating like the rest of me, it's been such a long time since I used it much!

GG Thu 12-May-11 09:37:10

As a retired English teacher, I abhor the 'non-teaching' of pure English grammar. Not to mention spelling and sentence construction. As with all things, perfection is based on correct construction, and as we all know, there is a vast difference between Sociolinguistics and correct form. In fact it is necessary for one to learn what I call the 'nuts and bolts' of the grammar of one's mother tongue in order to be able to learn another language.
Let me add here, I carry a board marker so that when I see an omitted (or wrongly added) apostrophe, I can add or delete as necessary! I blame my age.

Joan Thu 12-May-11 10:34:10

Oh dear, I'm just the same! I haven't done the marker thing, but only because I'm not organised enough!

It was learning Latin that really made me understand grammar, and it certainly helped when I did German a year or two later. Many years later, at university, I encountered young people struggling to learn foreign languages without a basic understanding of their own grammar. I had to help them, teaching them basics that they should have been taught at school.

As far as I'm concerned the education system had let them down to an unforgivable extent.

Valkyrie Thu 12-May-11 11:07:03

I hate children being referred to as kids
Kids are the offspring of Goats

elizajane Thu 12-May-11 11:28:19

And another one - the misuse of the word "hopefully". does this annoy others as much as it does me?

Lally Thu 12-May-11 19:55:44

'Are you fed up of?' equals 'bored of' in dreadfulness. My local health centre, please take note.

Snowdrop Thu 12-May-11 20:51:08

A forum for pedants, my idea of heaven!
How about 'refuge sacks' instead of refuse sacks? The mind boggles. Or two that I saw in a local market some time ago: on the flower stall some St Paulias were labelled as 'St Pauls Ears' and some holly wreaths as 'Holly Reefs'.
You're right DjangoDog, they are about misuse of vocabulary - but they are amusing!

dolphin Sat 14-May-11 02:01:37

Why do so many people speak of dates in this century as 'two thousand and nine, two thousand and ten, two thousand and eleven' etc? 1999, for example was never said as 'one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine' 'Twenty eleven' is so much briefer and less laboured.

I am pleased that my earlier entries on the misuse of less/fewer, different to/from and have/of are shared by so many!

I am delighted also to find so many like-minded haters of misused apostrophes!

Swedenana Sat 14-May-11 07:15:19

I can highly recommend the book 'Eats, shoots and leaves' by Lynne Truss. A pedant's delight, if ever there was one and a very entertaining read into the bargain.

PatM Sat 14-May-11 21:58:35

I just wish that people would use 'th' rather than 'f' in words, such as 'fing' instead of 'thing' 'fum' not 'thumb' etc. Or am I being a little bit more than pedantic?

milliej Sat 14-May-11 22:24:05

lol I think it partly depends where we come from! When I moved to where we live which is only the next county to where I originate from (Newcastle) I was told in no uncertain terms that some of the words I pronounced were incorrect! smile
I am not mispronouncing words, I'm saying them as I think they ought to be pronounced or taught..... but not as a local ;)
My husband is from the south and he says 'baath' I say bath which to me is the correct pronunciation if the 'a' were lengthened it should have an 'e' added....but but then it would be bathe but confused...that's the English language.
No wonder many foreigners find it hard. Although my husband disagree's he says that these days foreigners speak and pronounce English better than the English!

harrigran Sat 14-May-11 22:46:07

I agree with your husband milliej, my BIL is German and his English grammar is faultless

Nannymary Sat 14-May-11 23:48:11

Wish I had a pound for every time I heard ` could of` `would of` as a primary teacher. Also frequently heard `somethink`, `everythink` etc instead of something and everything. Still do, even from adults on the radio and t.v!

Joan Sun 15-May-11 04:14:43

"my BIL is German and his English grammar is faultless"

Well, compared with German grammar ours is so easy! For instance, they have 16 different ways of saying 'the'. (four cases, three genders = 12, plus 4 cases in the plural, which is the same in all genders, =16)

Oh, and to make things even more complicated, their three genders are largely random. Why is a table masculine, a door feminine, and a window neuter? Some words have a specific ending which tells you the gender, but there are not enough of them.

They have their arguments about grammar too. For instance, the word/acronym 'Modem' is neuter if you think of it as a foreign word, but if you think of it as a phrase ending in 'Modulator' it is, I think, masculine.

We have it so easy, but still so many of us get it wrong. Why oh why?

Granpam Sun 15-May-11 10:01:06

I would like to add 'up for grabs' - in the recent local elections I was nearly hurling something at the television as each reporter seemed to come on and report that 'such and such a seat is up for grabs'

Agree with all the comments above too - particularly 'can I get?' - having just come back from the States that is what we heard, but pleased to report that 3 year old grandson asks 'please may I have some more milk'

harrigran Sun 15-May-11 10:18:03

Drawring instead of drawing, toe curling.