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Why 'outside of'?

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Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 07:43:23

According to the Daily Mail, Lindsay Lohan had an incident 'outside of' a nightclub. Why not just 'outside'?

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:47:42

More like uncouth and the unravelled sleeve on 'ere sometimes! c/f parties beside hospital beds, hidden behind a Stonehenge party. grin

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 14:07:38

Macbeth on sleep I think.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 14:23:35

It's 'care' not 'time', isn't it? Sorry!

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 14:31:01

Yes. The death of each days life, chief nourisher in life's feast (is it fattening?)

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 15:00:05

Ruthless - there's another one. You never hear of anyone being ruthfull...or ruthful...?

Maniac Fri 16-Mar-12 15:22:01

The dictionary definition of 'ruth' is 'a feeling of pity,distress or grief'
A Jane Austen character refers to someone as 'full of ruth'
My younger DD is named Ruth but more often addressed as 'Ruthie'.I thought it was a beautiful simple name which couldn't be corrupted.
French people find it impossible to pronounce!!

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 16:05:20

My late sister was Ruth - it was not an appropriate name as she was one of the most unpleasant people I have ever met. She gave my poor mother no end of grief.

Granny23 Fri 16-Mar-12 16:44:13

The opposite of 'uncouth' is 'couthie' - at least it is here in Central Scotland.

The 'outside of' reminds me that I only recently discovered that the word 'outwith' in common usage locally is not a standard English word. It is mainly used here in phrases such as 'Outwith these opening times please contact .......' or 'It is outwith the boundaries ......'.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 16:56:26

Love both those Scots usages, g23 smile.

Annobel Fri 16-Mar-12 17:06:26

It's taken me many years in England to realise that 'outwith' is outwith the normal English usage!
I object to 'off of' as in 'we got off of the bus.' However, brought up as I was in Scotland, I was quite happy with 'out the window' and 'out the door', which I think someone has objected to as being American usage.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 17:07:42

Out the door is Lancashire usage too, anno, so probably not American first.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 18:04:05

'Put wood i'thole, lad.'

I remember in Scotland hearing in court 'If you will be upstanding...'

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 18:15:34

Same in coroners courts.
We're you born in a barn? Is another one.

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 18:25:13

Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs!

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 18:40:16

It's looking a bit black over Bill's mother's

grannyactivist Fri 16-Mar-12 18:41:00

Anyone remember the Candid Camera episode where Jonathan Routh wandered around a northern town asking people where he could get some 'gorm' because he wanted to please his girlfriend, who told him he was 'gormless'? It was so funny watching motherly ladies attempting to help him out by telling him he wasn't gormless - when he patently was. grin

em Fri 16-Mar-12 22:36:17

Anyone suggest an explanation for disgruntled / gruntled? Could go and look it up I suppose but prefer GNetters' more light-hearted comments. Not sure if I'd use couthie as the opposite of uncouth though.

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 23:28:32

I remember 'couthie' from singing 'Westering Home' at school - 'canthy and couthie and kindly the best......'

Annobel Sat 17-Mar-12 00:01:15

Greatnan, we used to sing that all the time at Brownies - possibly the only song our Brown Owl knew - but then, we were 'the folk o'the west'!

kittylester Sat 17-Mar-12 06:13:50

In Leicestershire people 'knock the door' and 'go town' both of which make me feel really weird.

gracesmum Sat 17-Mar-12 09:59:50

em and annobel will also be familiar with furth as an even more esoteric variation on "outside" or "outwith" in a geographical sense. It always makes me smile when I read it in communications from St. A's.

Wheniwasyourage Sat 17-Mar-12 13:22:45

To go back a bit (in 2 different directions), what about "meet with" or even "meet up with" when you just mean "meet"? Also, I am always pleased by the idea of drawing curtains, which you can do in both directions. (Not to mention with a pencil, if you are gifted in that way.)

Mamie Sat 17-Mar-12 14:08:18

In deepest Dorset they used say "where be 'e at?" (where is he?)

jeni Sat 17-Mar-12 14:14:55

And in Somerset also 'where be 'e to?' where is it?
In the black country we used bist, be they not!

bagitha Sat 17-Mar-12 17:05:21

One of my favourite Yorkshire phrases, spoken by my great uncle Charlie (who wanted to travel as a young man but had to serve in WW1 trenches, after which he thought that perhaps "Addingham weren't s' bad" and was happy to remain there for the rest of his life) when we went there for tea. Great auntie Mary would set out all sorts of delicious stuff – including bridge rolls sliced crosswise like a big loaf and the tiny slices neatly buttered – and then Uncle Charlie would say: Reach to, lass, reach to (help yourself) smile.