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pronounciation of common words

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etheltbags1 Tue 08-Sept-15 19:37:44

I really hate to see commonly used words being mispronounced
Toady I had an argument about how to say Benal Madena (the spanish resort). I used to write to a relative who lived there and it was said lke it was spelt but several people have called it Bellamadena. Can anyone tell me the correct way to pronounce it.
I also live fairly near to a Matalan store and find my skin creeps to hear people shouting 'Im going to Mataland'.
Its the same with sandwich commonly pronounced saanwich, strawberry pronounced strawbry and many others .This has nothing to do with local dialect its just a lazy way of talking.

rosequartz Wed 16-Sept-15 17:13:41

Don't get me started on apostrophes! wink

Gagamarnie Wed 16-Sept-15 17:09:06

Sad pedant that I am, I get really annoyed about the use of "wonder" and "wander" and "draw" and "drawer". Another thing that annoys me is having no space between "a lot", e.g. "I enjoyed that alot."

There used to be a presenter on a TV programme where people were looking for a new home (Escape to the Country??), and she always told them to "Go and WONDER around". I could imagine them saying Oohs and Aahs in response! In my experience, it appears that many people have not had good English language teachers in the past. I've known many teachers who make basic errors in spoken and written English - even at high managerial levels in education. Bring back grammar schools I say! And another thing..... I WONDER whether "textspeak" will change the way we spell in future....and another another thing, what about the apostrophe? That's food for another forum or two!

rosequartz Wed 16-Sept-15 14:10:47

Just call them 'sarnies' and be done with it!

Mind you, sardine sarnie is always a bit difficult to pronounce.
That's why we tend to have sardines on toast.

rosequartz Wed 16-Sept-15 14:09:29

I won't tell her babcia grin

babcia Wed 16-Sept-15 13:58:15

My pet hate is laura norder

Bellanonna Wed 16-Sept-15 13:32:33

I wonder if we would consider " singing", "wringing" , etc lazy? Much easier to pronounce than some regional interpretations which pronounce both of the gs gutterally ? The former being correct of course and much easier to pronounce.

feetlebaum Wed 16-Sept-15 13:30:42

I like sammitch for sandwich!

rosequartz Wed 16-Sept-15 12:58:12

chests of draws oh yes, I've seen that helmacd

The way you have written sangwidges makes me wonder if that's why the Australians call them sangers hmm

helmacd Wed 16-Sept-15 12:21:19

I've come to this conversation already on the 6th page, so apologies if my quick scan has missed mention of this word already. My biggest hate is pessific for specific!
And whilst I fully confess to being a pedant, there's a really good reason for pronouncing words correctly - it helps one to spell them correctly. You only have to look in classified ads to see this; I've lost count of the number of people who are selling 'chests of draws' - wish I was a cartoonist!
I should say I have absolutely nothing against regional accents; words can still be said correctly, though with differences in intonation and stress. Lazy speech such as 'sangwidges' is just that -a disinclination to make the effort to communicate clearly and accurately!

PenJK50 Wed 16-Sept-15 11:59:29

Our bugbear used to be our daughters pronouncing Watford (where they went to school) without the "t". So it became Wa'ford! They have now grown out of it!

JackyB Tue 15-Sept-15 17:02:23

Typical pop lyrics: "You make my jeams cum choo"

rosequartz Sun 13-Sept-15 23:13:37

Jomarie which brings me to the question:P
how do you pronounce the word piste?

Presumably peeste and not pissed grin

Indinana Sun 13-Sept-15 23:05:47

We always used to laugh at Celine Dion in the song from Titanic, when she sang 'my heart will go on dan don'

Jomarie Sun 13-Sept-15 23:01:57

Maybe I'm going a little off piste here but what is really annoying me now is the merging of consonants in songs - I know it used to irritate my mother and obviously I am now turning into her (comes to many of us) but my current bugbear is being repeatedly played on Radio 2 - leona Lewis and her latest song "I am, with or without you" but she sings each and every time (and it is sung a lot) "I am, with or withou chew" - sad me but really p..... me off to the point that I turn the radio down until the song is over. My blood pressure can't take it..... Sam Smith does it too - so do many others but can't think of their names right now. Is it just me?

Indinana Sun 13-Sept-15 22:52:04

The Belgians spell it with an i and with no final s - Ieper. When we were there a few years ago we asked one of the locals how it was pronounced and they said 'Eeper', only slightly differently from the French 'Eepr'.

Katek Sun 13-Sept-15 22:36:36

I've heard it pronounced 'Eeps' which isn't far from 'Yips'. I would tend to use 'Eep-r' but it isn't actually a French name.

Indinana Sun 13-Sept-15 20:46:31

Yips??? What, do you mean to rhyme with pips, but beginning with a 'y' sound as in yellow? Surely not! confused

etheltbags1 Sun 13-Sept-15 20:30:25

The correct pronounciation of Ypres is 'Yips', I was informed by my boss when involved with WW1 research.

Mamie Sun 13-Sept-15 13:53:38

"In the 7th century BC, the Phoenicians arrived followed by the Romans in the early part of the 8th century AD. But the name Benalmadena came from the Moors who arrived later in the 8th century. The original name wa Ben-Al-Madina, which in Arabic translated as "children of the mines". At that time there were many iron ore and ochre mines in the area."
So there you are.
Wipers is the name given to Ypres by British troops in the first world war, Riverwalk.

Jane10 Sun 13-Sept-15 13:34:34

I can never get over how many people say 'nucular' instead of 'nuclear'. They do the same for Dracula - saying 'Draclear'. Very odd!

Riverwalk Sun 13-Sept-15 13:22:05

As it's in Andulusia, Benalmadena is obviously Arabic in origin so even the Spanish pronUNciation is open to question! grin

Surely local names of places are just that - whatever way the locals pronounce it.

I was recently in Rye, East Sussex where a local landmark is Ypres Castle, usually pronounced something like 'epre' in England following WW1, but the locals proudly pronounce it 'Wipers'.

So for them that's how it is - in Belgium no doubt it's different.

trisher Sun 13-Sept-15 12:46:37

Just remembered the bit in Pitman Painters where the pitmen ask the very posh visiting art lecturer
"Ye de de art?"
And then put on a very posh voice when he doesn't understand and ask
"You do do art?"

Mamie Sun 13-Sept-15 12:41:15

I can't speak for all Spaniards but I can confirm my Spanish DiL and half Spanish grandchildren say Benalmadena with the accent on the MAD. They nip down there quite often for the weekend. grin

Indinana Sun 13-Sept-15 11:16:06

ethelt I would stake my life that no Spaniard would say Bellamadena. Anyone who calls it that is likely also to talk about Torriveckia when they mean Torrevieja.
It's another one of those mispronunciations, which so often happens with unfamiliar 'forrin' words, that lots of people have picked up on and they actually believe it's correct. It's not.

etheltbags1 Sun 13-Sept-15 10:40:41

Don't start me off wanting chips on a Sunday morning, although I could eat them anytime.