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Am I getting old and pedantic?

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BluebellGran Fri 31-Mar-17 18:40:06

I'm trying to resist commenting to anyone who's listening when I hear on the radio or television, 'ter' instead of 'to', or 'fer' instead of 'for' or 'try and' instead of 'try to.'

If I started this comment with 'so,' would I be more fashionable? Grrrrrr!

Legs55 Sun 02-Apr-17 20:23:54

You guys drives me up the wall, our Estate Agent used it all the time. We had 2 Agents to value the property, both in their 30s? who used it. Grrr, I'm a ladyhmm & my DH a man.

Dialect is totally different, some might regard it as lazy but I love to hear it

MaizieD Sun 02-Apr-17 20:35:42

I'm getting very vexed about misused prepositions. 'Different to' has annoyed me for a long time; if you (or something) are differing you're moving away 'from' whatever it is; as opposed to 'similar to' where views or characteristics are coming together.

But newer ones like 'forbidden from'. You're banned from doing something but you're forbidden to do it.

And the unnecessary 'of' as in 'People who live outside of the city' No, no, they just live outside it. The only time you need 'of' if when you're using it with 'the'. The outside of the box. (this applies to 'inside' as well)

I know I'm getting old and I've always been pedantic. I don't really care!

loopyloo Sun 02-Apr-17 20:39:20

Something that annoys me is calling a baby a newborn. When did it become a noun ?
And confusing disinterested and uninterested. Oh and Alright spelt as one word.

TriciaF Sun 02-Apr-17 20:44:16

Maybe it takes the place of 'er'?

MaizieD Sun 02-Apr-17 21:16:51

Oh dear, loopyloo. We had an teacher at secondary school who used to make us chant 'All right is not all right unless it is spelled as two words'

I'm afraid I've only spelled it as two words today in deference to your distaste for 'alright' sad

M0nica Sun 02-Apr-17 21:26:43

There is a reason we are not all speaking Anglo-Saxon. It is because language has developed and evolved with every generation since it became the language of this country. Read the dialogue in any Victorian novel and notice how stilted it sounds compared with modern conversation, but that was how conversational English sounded then.

very generation will change the language to make it theirs and every previous generation will complain about it.

Marje Sun 02-Apr-17 21:31:00

How about "my bad" meaning "I've made a mistake". I find that I figure out the meaning of something new when I've heard it a few times (or I ask my grandchildren!)

GadaboutGran Sun 02-Apr-17 23:20:35

Going back to So: Academics seem to have started this when about to explain something. It was pointed out to me by one that Seamus Heaney began his translation of Anglo-Saxon Beowulf with "So" Here's what google says about it:

"Conventional renderings of hwæt, the first word of the poem, tend towards the archaic literary, with ‘lo’, ‘hark’, ‘behold’, ‘attend’ and – more colloquially – ‘listen’ being some of the solutions offered previously. But in Hiberno-English Scullion-speak, the particle ‘so’ came naturally to the rescue, because in that idiom ‘so’ operates as an expression that obliterates all previous discourse and narrative, and at the same time functions as an exclamation calling for immediate attention. So, ‘so’ it was:

'So. The Spear-Danes in days gone by
and the kings who ruled them had courage and greatness.'"

Bluecat Sun 02-Apr-17 23:36:38

I was talking to an Irish friend who has just started to study Gaelic and he mentioned that Irish people say "yous" because the Irish language has a plural of "you." As for pedantry, I'm afraid my father was pedantic, I am pedantic and my children have inherited the same gift/burden....

Esspee Sun 02-Apr-17 23:48:11

My current pet hate is people mispronouncing assume. Where does the mysterious "h" come from to make them lisp the word as "ashume". I would love to hear them try to say assumption using the same mispronunciation.

Elrel Mon 03-Apr-17 00:47:49

Esspee- how so pronounce 'tissue'?

Elrel Mon 03-Apr-17 00:48:52

Oops 'How do you pronounce 'tissue'?

Elrel Mon 03-Apr-17 00:53:51

I'll continue to write 'all right' and say 'different from' and 'bored with' in spite of the gradual change in language!

I read today that the Oxford Junior Dictionary no longer includes either bluebell or corker. How sad.

Loopy- yes, either baby or neonate!

Hollycat Mon 03-Apr-17 03:51:23

It's when people pronounce the letter "H" as haitch instead of aitch that annoys me most.

Boolya Mon 03-Apr-17 04:34:13

I always understood we should say different from and not different to. On a slightly different tack - when and why did a railway station become a train station? Maybe this is a different thread.

meandashy Mon 03-Apr-17 07:27:11

American language doesn't seem to have plural spelling. For example 'the coat fit her well' rather than 'fitted'. They speak this was too. Drives me nuts!

Marydoll Mon 03-Apr-17 07:34:15

Has anyone seen the item on BBC news this morning about the man who is going around Bristol, in the dead of night, fixing grammatical errors on shop signs? I love it!

Blinko Mon 03-Apr-17 07:45:27

Marydoll, must admit I loved the piece on the Bristol apostrophiser - excellent!

Daisyboots Mon 03-Apr-17 07:56:49

One expression I hate is 'bored of' instead 'bored with' . So many young people say 'I am bored of this' and it really makes cross. Yes I am pedantic.

grammargran Mon 03-Apr-17 07:58:37

Bonnie and Hollycat - you've both mentioned two of my pet hates, too! How can a floor be outside - and 'haitch' instead of 'aitch' although I have noticed that anyone with Welsh roots tends to do this. 'All right' will for ever be two words with me. I do have to be very careful with this wretched predictive text, though, as it loves apostrophes, have you noticed? I think my pet hate of all has to be 'me and my .......... ' instead of ' .............. and I' (insert as applicable: hubby, boy friend, mate, etc). I terrorise my grandchildren on this one!

Smithy Mon 03-Apr-17 08:27:43

So ! Great reading these posts - I too am old and pedantic after many years of being young and pedantic.

Northernlass Mon 03-Apr-17 09:12:47

I feel the same BluebellGran. Has any one else noticed how many tv and radio presenters (including R4 - yes, I did say R4 shock) who use incorrect indefinite articles shock eg "A amateur"!? It sounds awful - apart from being incorrect.

harrigran Mon 03-Apr-17 09:22:15

My BIL has always altered wrongly placed apostrophes either by rubbing out on chalk boards or using his red pen on menus and leaflets. He was a teacher and English is not his first language grin

AmMaz Mon 03-Apr-17 10:12:35

What about AKS instead of ask?

And TV presenters not pronouncing the T at the end of words or the G at the end of '...ing'?

Or how about the proliferation of rogue apostrophes on boards outside cafes for example?

But the corker is the 'street' (?) pronunciation among youth whereby '...er' at the end of a word become aaaagh, as in for example forevaaaaaagh (forever). And wait might become weet. Fascinating. And at the same time somehow sad.

MawBroon Mon 03-Apr-17 10:14:52

www.bbc.com/news/uk-39459831

Own up, which Bristol gran is it? grin