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How do YOU say it?

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MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 08:17:00

It doesn’t bother me when people say “chimbley” or “skellington” (it can sound sweet from a child) but when 4 year old DGD said “marshmellow” the other day, it really grated.
I have noticed it in England and cannot for the life of me understand why some people pronounce it this way.
We say “fallow, shallow, mallow” so why on Earth should the vowel change?
In DGD’s case I suspect this is down to the nanny as I did not teach our DDs to say that.
Ducks behind sofa

lemongrove Thu 14-Feb-19 12:28:53

Never heard it called anything other than marshmallow.

Grammaretto Thu 14-Feb-19 12:38:44

Scots pronounce words much more phonetically than the English do. This is why the BBC employ Scottish speakers as news readers so often.
They pronounce the H in where, who, why, when etc and both the Ds in Wednesday..
Of course it's mallow though autocorrect wanted me to write mellow .
I also hate ther or thuh when saying the. It's just lazy.

MissAdventure Thu 14-Feb-19 12:40:31

Yes, I noticed that when I spent a lot of time there.
If it is 'mallow' then it must be correct to call it so.
I hadn't really thought about how I pronounced it until this thread.

janeainsworth Thu 14-Feb-19 12:43:18

I've never heard anyone say marshmellow, but I can imagine that perhaps that's the way the Queen says it.
Has your DGD been watching The Crown, Maw?

Fennel Thu 14-Feb-19 12:47:52

The hard 'a' is mostly a northern/scottish sound.
Maw - ask your DGD how to say 'bad'. If she says 'bed'?

eazybee Thu 14-Feb-19 13:12:59

Dear me.
Seck the Nenny.

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 13:14:07

alsaQueen Thu 14-Feb-19 10:32:54
Mellow. Everyone I know says mellow. It perhaps is a regional thing? I live in Derby, East Midlands

So I am not imagining it!

My DGD certainly does not pronounce “bad” as “bed” at 4 she is unlikely to have even heard of “The Queen” or been exposed to those clipped 50’s vowels that some of us remember from Mrs Dales Diary.
I do not agree that it is anything to do with h any “ah/eh” bowel dialect variation either, but if anything I first heard it in London/SE English.

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 13:18:24

Oh my eazybee your prejudices are showing.
Is having childcare something to apologise for? ?

Nonnie Thu 14-Feb-19 13:26:03

No problem with regional accents here but I do mind bad enunciation from persons paid to speak on the radio or TV,

Baggs Thu 14-Feb-19 13:43:08

Apparently the roots of Marsh Mallow/^Althaea officinalis^ were originally used to made this sweet.

Baggs Thu 14-Feb-19 13:43:28

Althaea officinalis

Baggs Thu 14-Feb-19 13:44:37

I mind bad enunciation in anyone except toddlers.

grannysue05 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:06:33

Maw we are all wondering about your 'bowel dialect variations' !
Sounds painful.
I say marshmellow but actually write mallow.
smile

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 14:11:37

gringrin

“B” and “V” ARE next to each other oops!
vowels natch!

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 14:12:44

So another vote for “marsh mellows”
I am assuming that you are neither The Queen nor Mrs Dale?

grannysue05 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:18:51

Maw I know what its like with these keys!
I don't have any accent at all but I am from up north, Cheshire.
Just phoned two friends to check, and they both say mellow ....both Northern ladies.

Farmor15 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:30:06

I’m Irish and would always say mallow. Years ago an Irish friend was teaching English in Germany and was called in by her boss because of her pronunciation. Apparently they wanted the children to learn “Received Pronunciation “ (RP) English, where the a is said more like e. “Man” sounds more like “men” in RP, and mallow, mellow.

Jalima1108 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:33:43

I have now had to google to find out why it is called marshmallow

grin

when I should be gardening, trimming the mallow.

KatyK Thu 14-Feb-19 14:44:01

Mallow. There's no e in it.

Day6 Thu 14-Feb-19 16:19:23

It's m*a*llow for me. Like the plant. Always has been.

(However, I do feel at home when people speak of their garridge, rather than their garaaaage, so I'm not a southerner, or posh!) .

Jalima1108 Thu 14-Feb-19 16:22:12

because it used to be made from marshmallow root.

Nonnie Thu 14-Feb-19 16:26:40

Yes Baggs

Actually I don't think I say the word, I don't like them! grin

Jalima1108 Thu 14-Feb-19 16:31:33

Me neither, but I must listen to DGD2 next time she has some!

Bathsheba Thu 14-Feb-19 16:52:23

I love marshmallows - and I pronounce them mallow, not mellow. But I seem to recall that as a child our family pronounced them marshmellows; not sure when or why that changed with me. Have I become less or more posh? grin

absent Thu 14-Feb-19 18:54:37

Everyone has an accent of some sort – even received pronunciation is an accent. I have now got used to the vowel shift that has happened in New Zealand English, whereby the short e has shifted to a short i – hard-boiled iggs.