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Brahumbug Sun 08-Nov-20 02:32:59

Apparently, Donald Trump has refused to 'concede defeat'. What an appalling abuse of the English language. Still, it is the Guardian!

MawB2 Sun 08-Nov-20 07:44:03

I seem to be missing your point confused
concede - definition
If you concede something, you admit that it is true, proper, or certain — usually in an unwilling way and often in the context of a competition, as in "At midnight, the candidate finally conceded defeat ."

kittylester Sun 08-Nov-20 07:45:43

Glad you said that Maw!!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Nov-20 07:48:55

His unwillingness to concede may have something to do with his financial affairs.

The NY Times is reporting that Trump is facing at least 12 federal and state investigations, and has to repay loans of $300million in the next few years. He also owes another $100million.
His tax affairs are also under investigation.

Esspee Sun 08-Nov-20 07:50:29

I don't think there is anything wrong with conceding defeat.
Especially when applied to Trump.😀

Kate54 Sun 08-Nov-20 08:29:17

So it should be ‘admit defeat’ and...’concede victory’???

Lucca Sun 08-Nov-20 08:36:02

From Oxford learners dictionary. Seems fine to me!

​ [intransitive, transitive] concede (defeat) to admit that you have lost a game, an election, etc.
After losing this decisive battle, the general was forced to concede.
Injury forced Hicks to concede defeat.

suziewoozie Sun 08-Nov-20 08:39:34

Just an excuse to knock the Guardian - well that misfired didn’t it?

Davida1968 Sun 08-Nov-20 08:41:07

Well pointed out, Maw!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Nov-20 08:45:49

There is such a thing as general usage and that is what is used in the USA.

Everyone knows what it means.

Sniffiness just make you look just that - sniffy.

FannyCornforth Sun 08-Nov-20 09:22:36

I read the op early doors, before Maw's comment.
I thought that I was being dim, because I couldn't see the problem either.
Just goes to show - you have to be very careful if you want to look superior.

lemongrove Sun 08-Nov-20 09:26:48

Well, this is in pedants corner, so the OP is correct.
However if in popular usage then it becomes accepted speech.

lemongrove Sun 08-Nov-20 09:27:55

It should just be ‘concedes’ really.

lemongrove Sun 08-Nov-20 09:28:23

Or concedes the election.

Iam64 Sun 08-Nov-20 09:32:00

Well, I remain a Grauniad reader.

Kate54 Sun 08-Nov-20 09:32:20

I just wish DT would concede gracefully if not grammatically!

FannyCornforth Sun 08-Nov-20 09:36:33

lemongrove

It should just be ‘concedes’ really.

Right. I get it now, thank you.
Is it tautological? (Is that correct?)

I still don't think that it warrants
"appalling abuse of the English language"!

eazybee Sun 08-Nov-20 11:48:36

I agree with the original poster; the phrase: ' Trump refused to concede defeat' jars, but technically it is not incorrect. The accepted usage is 'admit defeat, concede victory' but the meaning is virtually the same.
It is academic anyway because I don't believe Trump will ever admit or concede defeat.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 08-Nov-20 12:53:16

How would you choose to acknowledge defeat?

To concede defeat is perfectly acceptable.

GillT57 Sun 08-Nov-20 12:56:26

Oh, I didn't spot the mistake, if there is one?

DanniRae Sun 08-Nov-20 13:54:03

confused

Lucca Sun 08-Nov-20 17:21:14

How come then that concede defeat is given as an example in the Oxford learners dictionary ??
Appalling abuse of the English language ?? Are you, as they say, having a laugh ?

Brahumbug Mon 09-Nov-20 21:22:43

To concede defeat is not perfectly acceptable. Concede means to relinquish or give away, you cannot give away a defeat, only a victory. I am not technically correct, I am absolutely correct.

It didn't misfire at all, the Guardian remains a poor excuse for a newspaper, it's only redeeming feature being it is at least left of centre.

lemongrove Mon 09-Nov-20 21:25:49

Brahumbug is right, and I’ve noticed that some papers and online media sites are now not saying that, so maybe it’s been pointed out?
You can accept defeat, but not concede defeat.

Witzend Wed 25-Nov-20 13:28:52

Not that point, I know, but I can’t see him ever admitting defeat, even if he’s eventually forced to concede it.
Fine shades of meaning, and all that...