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What (if anything) have recent Literacy initiatives taught our children?

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RosiesMaw Sun 19-May-24 12:53:22

As an ex-teacher I thought I was pretty used to spelling mistakes, malapropisms and “schoolboy howlers” I’d seen them all
The Russian dictator Starling for instance always raised a smile, marking History essays, but what I’m reading on social media makes me realise how deep this goes.
These just this morning
Paracels sought to protect pet rabbits from the sun
Spairs being offered for a trampoline
Requests for the local scrap dealers Sir name (very posh we are !)
A diemonte trimmed light shade
And that’s not counting the regular appearance of chester draws
Maybe we need less emphasis on “fronted adverbials” and more spelling of everyday words?

Callistemon21 Thu 23-May-24 12:00:47

Where's Grandmajean?

Jaxjacky Thu 23-May-24 11:58:41

You’re not in?

Callistemon21 Thu 23-May-24 11:48:52

Could be!! 👍

Elegran Thu 23-May-24 11:46:32

Yrnetn = your knitting?

Glorianny Thu 23-May-24 11:04:05

Looking at her stuff on sluts I found Katharine Whitehorn on grammar www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/nov/06/katharine-whitehorn-grammar-pedants

Callistemon21 Thu 23-May-24 11:00:23

😁

Daddima Thu 23-May-24 10:57:24

Callistemon21

Yrnetn
I'm still not getting it .....

Wire netting?

Callistemon21 Thu 23-May-24 10:56:04

LucyAnna2

Is it ‘Whyaren’t’ ?

🤔
Not sure

keepcalmandcavachon Thu 23-May-24 08:04:41

SuperTinny

My dear mum, who I now suspect was dyslexic (compounded by very patchy schooling) used to write me weekly letters when I moved away from home.

She wrote as she spoke, with poor spelling, little or no punctuation and very few capital letters. Her handwriting was poor. It would sometimes take me a while to decipher what she was trying to say.

She was a voracious reader of historical romance novels, loved a word search book and never shied away from writing long informative (gossipy!) letters to me.

She recognised her own failings in this regard, but she never stopped trying and she often said if things had been different she would have loved to have been an English teacher.

Ah, that's a lovely memory of your dear mum, and what a kind, understanding teacher she would doubtless have been too.
So pleased she had so much pleasure from her writing and loved reading her novels. The friends we find between the pages help us so much!

Mamie Thu 23-May-24 07:50:12

I haven't seem much analysis in the thread of differences in standards of literacy pre and post the introduction of the literacy strategy, but I think the point is that we now have far more exposure to the written English of a wider population.
In the past, published writing was mainly limited to the more highly educated. I can certainly remember as a young teacher being shocked by the poor literacy of the letters sent in by parents.
I agree with flappergirl that before the widespread use of social media, we simply did not see it, because there were very few channels for publication.

Joseann Thu 23-May-24 07:33:53

How to waste 10 minutes of my leisurely breakfast time! 😆

Joseann Thu 23-May-24 07:32:36

I did wonder that, but the e isn't sounding and the t and the n are the wrong way round? Who knows?

LucyAnna2 Thu 23-May-24 07:24:28

Is it ‘Whyaren’t’ ?

Joseann Thu 23-May-24 07:17:38

Callistemon21

Yrnetn
I'm still not getting it .....

I've worked out, Yr as Why are but I'm stuck on the rest!?

SuperTinny Wed 22-May-24 23:37:04

My dear mum, who I now suspect was dyslexic (compounded by very patchy schooling) used to write me weekly letters when I moved away from home.

She wrote as she spoke, with poor spelling, little or no punctuation and very few capital letters. Her handwriting was poor. It would sometimes take me a while to decipher what she was trying to say.

She was a voracious reader of historical romance novels, loved a word search book and never shied away from writing long informative (gossipy!) letters to me.

She recognised her own failings in this regard, but she never stopped trying and she often said if things had been different she would have loved to have been an English teacher.

Callistemon21 Wed 22-May-24 23:18:16

Yrnetn
I'm still not getting it .....

Callistemon21 Wed 22-May-24 23:17:31

😂😂😂

SuperTinny Wed 22-May-24 23:08:58

A quick trip around my town has previously revealed the following:

Washing up bowls stacked outside a £1 shop with the handwritten label 'Bowels'.

A box of apples stacked outside the greengrocers with a handwritten sign 'Cock's'.

hmm

Callistemon21 Wed 22-May-24 23:04:12

Some people are dyslexic.
Some people do suffer from certain confusions and get words mixed up. My MIL used to utter spoonerisms but never realised.

It seems to be quite normal for people to suffer from dyscalculia or to just dislike mathematics generally and laugh about it but not so spelling and grammar.

Callistemon21 Wed 22-May-24 22:56:53

Oh dear, typo? Sp? Or grammar?
😂

Callistemon21 Wed 22-May-24 22:56:12

Chocolatelovinggran

Oh no - no split infinitives thank you. My pet peeve is " less" used where the correct word is " fewer". Sadly, it is included thus in the Mathematics National Curriculum

Oh go on, please let me.
I like to boldly go where no Gransnetters dares to venture.

missdeke Wed 22-May-24 18:50:43

4allweknow

On about spelling, can someone please explain why I write loose and sound the word with a short oo (as in the rope is a bit loose). Then when sounding lose it is given a long oooo (he is going to lose the game) Yet choose is given a long oooo and chose a short oo.
I am positive when at primary school very early 50s choose and loose were both sounded the same ie long ooo.

The oo sound is the same in the words loose, goose and choose, the difference is in the s sounds. The loose and goose have a hard s whereas choose has a soft s. As to lose, that is just a vagary of our language, logically speaking it should be the same o sound as in chose.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 22-May-24 18:43:14

Oh no - no split infinitives thank you. My pet peeve is " less" used where the correct word is " fewer". Sadly, it is included thus in the Mathematics National Curriculum

Daddima Wed 22-May-24 18:43:11

Witzend

My favourite in the ‘for sale’ ads was a ‘chez lounge’ (chaise longue).
seen plenty of ‘dinning’ tables, too.

However my favourite ever, by a young Omani chap in my class when I was TEFL-ing, was ‘nacad’. This was in reply to the question, ‘What do you become when you don’t sleep for a long time?’
Bursting to laugh, I asked where he’d learnt that word.
‘I work a lot with English soldier!’ 😂

A ‘dinning’ table in Glasgow.

Dizzyribs Wed 22-May-24 18:35:33

Dictionaries don’t help with poor spelling.
It’s very hard to look up a word in a dictionary if you can’t spell it correctly. You have to have the first three letters correct as a minimum.
Obviously, if you can’t find the word and you are using a respectable dictionary, you learn that your spelling is incorrect, but that doesn’t help you to learn the correct spelling.