What Do They Teach In Schools........?

Mamie

Witzend

Kate54

Part of the problem is a lack of sub-editors presumably. There seems to be very little checking of grammar, spelling, pronounciation - or facts, it seems - in today’s media. I’ve heard two different BBC journalists mispronounce ‘femme fatale’ just this week. It’s French, innit?!
I do wonder if these mistakes are ever picked up by their editors. Or maybe they don’t know the basics either!

I forget where, but the other day I heard a presenter referring to the RENaissance, instead of reNAISSance. He did sound like the sort of person who’d know, so I did wonder whether he’d actually never heard it pronounced before.

IIRC it was in connection with the BBC TV prog the other day about early renaissance Florence, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, the Medicis, etc. Which incidentally was v interesting.

Renaissance is a French word so the English version would be a corruption of the original where the emphasis is not on the first syllable.

Yes, I’m well aware that the word is of French origin, but we are not in France and it’s been pronounced in the U.K. with the (light) stress on the 2nd syllable for as long as I can remember, and I dare say for a long time previously.

Until the other day I’d never heard it pronounced with the first stressed syllable rhyming with ‘wren’!

The wren pronuciation is also American English.

It was funny last night on Masterchef.
We had .... consOmmé, cOnsommé, consUmé and consommAY.
I had a mental block as to which was correct, French or English even!

The first one in French I would say.

M0nica

I think it is unlikely he executed 57,000 people. i would like to see the evidence for that.

He was a brilliant and gifted - and very complicated man, He suffered from recurrent head traumas during sporting activities, the worst episode of which was in 1536 when he was unconscious for 2 hrs. In the years following this he suffered from amnesia, impulse control, sociopathy, depression, headaches, insomnias and possibly low testosterone. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967586815006803 which contributed to, and probably explains his tyrannical autocratic and erratic behaviour in later years.

Henry VIII, being of his time, was an Absolute Monarch.

Estimates vary but the number of people executed is thought to be upwards of 57,000

In total, around 80,000 people were executed by the Tudors and nearly 60,000 of that number were executed during the reign of King Henry VIII.
Tudor nation

Other sources concur.

It is interesting though to work out when a word has been absorbed enough into English to change the pronunciation. I think either works for Renaissance, but there is a point at which it sounds pretentious to stick with the original. Chorizo is an interesting one!

If you opposed the monarch in those days it was very easy to loose your head, there has been plenty of genocide much more recently Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, I’m sure others could name more despots.

Rant coming!

Instead of history, they'd be better off teaching children how to live a healthy life and to teach it from early years with a practical approach. Science is all very well but learning the chemical constitution of protein, carbohydrate and fats is not useful until maybe 'A' level biology! Teach from early years what's good for you. Foods containing protein to build and repair your body, foods containing carbohydrates for energy, healthy fats for your brain and nerves, fibre for your gut throughput, vitamins and minerals e.g. Calcium, vitamin D, vitamin C and A in fruit and vegetables, B vitamins in cereals, plenty of water, exercise and sugar only as a treat. Teach them to read the labels on food packets, to look for that word sugar. Teach them to cook healthy meals.

*Then they can go home and teach their parents!*and

Rant over!

Mamie

Witzend

Kate54

Part of the problem is a lack of sub-editors presumably. There seems to be very little checking of grammar, spelling, pronounciation - or facts, it seems - in today’s media. I’ve heard two different BBC journalists mispronounce ‘femme fatale’ just this week. It’s French, innit?!
I do wonder if these mistakes are ever picked up by their editors. Or maybe they don’t know the basics either!

I forget where, but the other day I heard a presenter referring to the RENaissance, instead of reNAISSance. He did sound like the sort of person who’d know, so I did wonder whether he’d actually never heard it pronounced before.

IIRC it was in connection with the BBC TV prog the other day about early renaissance Florence, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, the Medicis, etc. Which incidentally was v interesting.

Renaissance is a French word so the English version would be a corruption of the original where the emphasis is not on the first syllable.

Also depends on what era, WHEN you were taught in . Thr current pronunciation seems to be the RENaissance, whereas in school back in the 50s/ early 60s it was always ReNAISSance. Similarly BOUDICIA…was pronounced BOdicea… now pronounced BOOdica! Others similar

That's taught as part of p.e as far as I know.

I didn't type that 'and' at the end of my rant. Kindle keyboard is weird... 🤔

Don't insult the lovely Aljaz

Also sure the mistake should have been picked up, but it was likely a ‘brain freeze’ when writing quickly re Henry 8th …brain seizes on 8 and becomes 8 wives! Why all the fuss. I expect the poor writer would be mortified if her error ( probably unintentional) was pointed out!
NOT necessarily poor education…surely we’ve all done something similar?

I'd be interested to hear what meals people were taught during cookery lessons.

It is a worry, we live near quite rural farms which allow visitors, while we were there a teacher and school kids were in the goats pen, and kids asked teacher what they were and she said SHEEP!!!! that is the TEACHER!!!! ahhhh!

MissAdventure

I'd be interested to hear what meals people were taught during cookery lessons.

If you scroll down the page to Cookery and nutrition you will see what the National Curriculum requires.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-curriculum-in-england-design-and-technology-programmes-of-study/national-curriculum-in-england-design-and-technology-programmes-of-study
For details of what is actually cooked at Key Stage 3 (11-14) you would need to ask a school.
My grandchildren seemed to cook a range of healthy meals and learn some useful key skills.

Ah, I'm talking about "the olden days", not now.

Food tech now seemed to cover a very broad spectrum,

MissAdventure

Ah, I'm talking about "the olden days", not now.

Food tech now seemed to cover a very broad spectrum,

Hmm - scones and Victoria sponge spring to mind. I think maybe Shepherd's pie.
Not much anyway, because mine was an arty-farty independent school so History of Art was far higher priority. 😂

Ah, yes, the Victoria sponge.
Cooked in comprehensives, arty-farties, and everywhere in between, it seems.

Along with setting a tray, and the odd shepherd's pie.

I've yet to hear of anyone learning proper cooking, from scratch, of course, at school.

Not a teacher but wonder how much time teachers have to teach core subjects when they're asked to do so many other things that imo should/could be covered by parents. Started thinking about this this morning when heard someone on TV saying that teachers should talk to pupils about coercive behaviour in relationships ( as result of girl stabbed to death by boyfriend).

M0nica

I think it is unlikely he executed 57,000 people. i would like to see the evidence for that.

He was a brilliant and gifted - and very complicated man, He suffered from recurrent head traumas during sporting activities, the worst episode of which was in 1536 when he was unconscious for 2 hrs. In the years following this he suffered from amnesia, impulse control, sociopathy, depression, headaches, insomnias and possibly low testosterone. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967586815006803 which contributed to, and probably explains his tyrannical autocratic and erratic behaviour in later years.

Well said MOnica!

MissAdventure

Ah, yes, the Victoria sponge.
Cooked in comprehensives, arty-farties, and everywhere in between, it seems.

Along with setting a tray, and the odd shepherd's pie.

I've yet to hear of anyone learning proper cooking, from scratch, of course, at school.

In the early 1960's I had what was called Domestic Science. I remember the usual sponges, rock cakes and jam tarts but we also attempted savoury dishes. We weren't ferried home by car in those days and trying to balance some dishes in a basket on the bus was very tricky. The worst one was enticingly named Brown Stew and was a very accurate description!

Yes, I can rember trying to get things home in one piece too.

M0nica

It has got nothing to do with what schools teach, it is how much interest the pupil has and how much value they placed on their studies.

You should not blame teachers for lazy indifferent pupils.

Hear, hear!

So irksome when teachers are criticised by people who are clearly not involved in schools and/or education. If they were they’d know what teachers teach, and that it’s more likely pupils don’t listen or take any interest. Thankfully the majority do!
So thank you to those of you (Monica and GG13) that stand up for the hardworking staff. 💐

lizzypopbottle

Rant coming!

Instead of history, they'd be better off teaching children how to live a healthy life and to teach it from early years with a practical approach. Science is all very well but learning the chemical constitution of protein, carbohydrate and fats is not useful until maybe 'A' level biology! Teach from early years what's good for you. Foods containing protein to build and repair your body, foods containing carbohydrates for energy, healthy fats for your brain and nerves, fibre for your gut throughput, vitamins and minerals e.g. Calcium, vitamin D, vitamin C and A in fruit and vegetables, B vitamins in cereals, plenty of water, exercise and sugar only as a treat. Teach them to read the labels on food packets, to look for that word sugar. Teach them to cook healthy meals.

*Then they can go home and teach their parents!*and

Rant over!

The problem is that you can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

Much of the above is already taught in schools, but see my comment above (quote) You should not blame teachers ( or the curriculum) for lazy indifferent pupils.