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Cabbie21 Tue 10-Mar-26 08:58:45

A bit tricky to explain in words, so bear with me.
Traditionally, the word THE is pronounced differently depending on whether the next word begins with a vowel or a consonant.
So I would say The next day, but Thee afternoon, Thee evening.
Almost all the presenters on my local tv news say The every time it occurs.

This came up in my choir. Obviously we all need to be “ singing from the same hymn sheet” and unifying our pronunciation, so our Director of Music pointed this out in the phrase “ the earth” , to be sung as Thee earth. He stated that this is normal in English. A couple of younger members queried this, saying they had never come across this before.

Something similar with A. Usually pronounced euh, not A as in the first letter of the alphabet.
Yet these same tv presenters say A man, A school.
Even A animal, not An animal, though that is rare.

I don’t think it is a regional thing as the presenters have various accents. It seems to be younger presenters rather than those more mature in years.
It really grates.

I know language evolves, but this doesn’t make for smooth news-reading.

Septimia Tue 10-Mar-26 09:09:13

Fully agree with you!

NotSpaghetti Tue 10-Mar-26 09:33:58

Amol Rajan is a case in point!
Aaaarrrggghhhh!

NotSpaghetti Tue 10-Mar-26 09:34:26

NO idea why though.

Aveline Tue 10-Mar-26 09:52:49

No point in complaining about other people's accents. That's all this is

NotSpaghetti Tue 10-Mar-26 09:58:14

It's surely not an accent?

Cabbie21 Tue 10-Mar-26 10:01:55

Definitely not an accent. It cuts across all accents. It seems to me to beba generational thing.

Witzend Tue 10-Mar-26 10:04:36

NotSpaghetti

Amol Rajan is a case in point!
Aaaarrrggghhhh!

TBH I find his ‘gabbling’ speech irritating anyway. He needs to learn to e-nunc-i-ate.

Aveline Tue 10-Mar-26 10:49:08

It is an accent. A personal way of pronouncing a word. It's a way that some of you don't like but, tough, nobody is the language police.

Georgesgran Tue 10-Mar-26 12:35:40

Ben Fogle once mentioned ‘a orange’. It just grated on me.

Oreo Tue 10-Mar-26 12:56:01

Aveline

It is an accent. A personal way of pronouncing a word. It's a way that some of you don't like but, tough, nobody is the language police.

Ahem! The language police are alive and well on here.😁

Oreo Tue 10-Mar-26 12:57:07

Not something ( The) I have ever noticed or thought about, or worry about come to that.

NotSpaghetti Tue 10-Mar-26 13:28:19

I think you are wrong about the "A" (for example) being an accent.

My husband says it's known as "spelling pronunciation" he says it goes with pronouncing the "t" in "often". Reading words as they are written.

I only use the long "ay" sound for extreme emphasis - "I said a book, not the book".

It's a strange thing to me and I see it sitting alongside vocal fry to be honest!

Beautyschooldropout Mon 30-Mar-26 03:46:52

Aren't students taught about the Definite and Indefinite articles anymore?

eazybee Mon 30-Mar-26 05:11:21

Aren't students taught about the Definite and Indefinite articles anymore?

Of course not. It's all about communication, innit?

It isn't accent, it is sloppy pronunciation. Interesting to note younger members in a choir questioning pronunciation . Not, I am in a choir and am fortunate in being taught something I was not aware of, but rather, I have never heard of it, therefore it cannot be right.

BlueBelle Mon 30-Mar-26 05:25:32

Afraid I say the evening and the afternoon so I m sloppy…..hands up I own it 🤣

Dickens Mon 30-Mar-26 06:27:24

This came up in my choir. Obviously we all need to be “ singing from the same hymn sheet” and unifying our pronunciation, so our Director of Music pointed this out in the phrase “ the earth” , to be sung as Thee earth. He stated that this is normal in English. A couple of younger members queried this, saying they had never come across this before.

I think where choral music is concerned, you would have to pronounce 'the earth' as 'thee earth' in order to sustain the musical note - depending on the score of course. Or elongate the 'eearth' bit to prolong the words to fit the note tempo! IYSWIM.

Dickens Mon 30-Mar-26 06:35:50

Aveline

It is an accent. A personal way of pronouncing a word. It's a way that some of you don't like but, tough, nobody is the language police.

This is Pedants' Corner, we're allowed to be pedantic!

And it's not an accent - it's pronunciation. The rule is mostly that a short 'e' is used before the next word beginning with a consonant, and the long 'e' before words beginning with a vowel.

Accents are accents and they have no rules.

Mamie Mon 30-Mar-26 06:43:20

eazybee

^Aren't students taught about the Definite and Indefinite articles anymore?^

Of course not. It's all about communication, innit?

It isn't accent, it is sloppy pronunciation. Interesting to note younger members in a choir questioning pronunciation . Not, I am in a choir and am fortunate in being taught something I was not aware of, but rather, I have never heard of it, therefore it cannot be right.

Of course they are. It is part of the National Curriculum for English at Key Stage 1 and 2.
Two minutes research would have told you this.

Macaydia Mon 30-Mar-26 07:09:16

If it is thee earth and not the earth then where did the second e go?

Macaydia Mon 30-Mar-26 07:10:21

English language is very confusing
youtu.be/sOUqHr9tcVY?si=qTeAKdNE3wWBemcF

Cabbie21 Mon 30-Mar-26 08:32:15

Our weather forecaster says “ in the early hours”. She makes a glottal stop which is jarring.

JamesandJon33 Tue 31-Mar-26 06:16:56

An hotel, correct but not heard often now.

Gwyllt Tue 31-Mar-26 08:50:22

Dickens. Accents are accents and they have no rules.

Surely then as everyone has an accent of some kind there should be no rules !!

kircubbin2000 Tue 31-Mar-26 08:54:16

BlueBelle

Afraid I say the evening and the afternoon so I m sloppy…..hands up I own it 🤣

I can't see anything wrong with that.