Charlotte Dujardin

MaizieD

MissAdventure

So, in effect, making the horse do an unnatural thing?

Most definitely 'Yes'.

A horse can easily touch its chest momentarily to brush off a fly, but anchoring its head on its chest forcefully for any period of time is physically damaging, probably painful and very stressful.

Isn't it banned in most countries?
I'm not sure about other countries where animals are treated abominably.

MissAdventure

So, in effect, making the horse do an unnatural thing?

Most definitely 'Yes'.

A horse can easily touch its chest momentarily to brush off a fly, but anchoring its head on its chest forcefully for any period of time is physically damaging, probably painful and very stressful.

The relationship between man (and woman) and animals has gone on for millennia.
They would not survive in the wild in most cases.

MissAdventure

People who have animals should factor in the costs

Factor in the costs of what?

Campaigners stopping them riding competitively, using them for breeding, herding sheep, policecdogs, assistance dogs etc?

I had a friend who bred dogs, showed them and was a Crufts judge top. The offspring of her dogs are now in many countries. Her dogs were well looked after and led "doggy lives" when they weren't winning as best in breed.

Surely they are bred for the events

BlueBelle

They’d live a bloody happier life I d hope Maybee70

Doing what? What about the brood mares. The stallions? We’re talking about thousands of horses if we stop all equestrian events.

Dujarden is worth 28 million, apparently.
So...

People who have animals should factor in the costs

MissAdventure

I'd hope their owners would look after them.
It's the least they could do for their beloved animal

They won't, of course.
That would be impossible without an income.

They'd go to countries where they'd end up as 🥩

choughdancer

My personal feeling is that I hope that one day soon, it will not be permitted to have sport or entertainment which involve animals. I'm sure, as many on this thread have said, that most people do not mistreat their animals, but the whole business of the use of them for this type of thing leaves the possibility of cruelty, especially if it leads to high status or money, open.

To me that is not acceptable.

Would you ban horse riding full stop then? Many many people get a great deal of pleasure from their horses and form very close bonds with them. If you've never ridden a horse, it's almost impossible to describe that. What about youngsters with their beloved ponies?

Why do people want to use animals, my sister in law has best in breed and best in show in Crufts, she loves her dogs but they do not live a doggie life , I really don’t like seeing horses prance

They’d live a bloody happier life I d hope Maybee70

I'd hope their owners would look after them.
It's the least they could do for their beloved animal

choughdancer

My personal feeling is that I hope that one day soon, it will not be permitted to have sport or entertainment which involve animals. I'm sure, as many on this thread have said, that most people do not mistreat their animals, but the whole business of the use of them for this type of thing leaves the possibility of cruelty, especially if it leads to high status or money, open.

To me that is not acceptable.

So, given that horses can live to over 30 years what will happen to all the horses involved in those banned sports?

My personal feeling is that I hope that one day soon, it will not be permitted to have sport or entertainment which involve animals. I'm sure, as many on this thread have said, that most people do not mistreat their animals, but the whole business of the use of them for this type of thing leaves the possibility of cruelty, especially if it leads to high status or money, open.

To me that is not acceptable.

So, in effect, making the horse do an unnatural thing?

BlueBelle

Well I ve never heard of rollur what is it I looked it up but unless it’s the way they make them keep their head down Why??? I didn’t really get it ?

This is it, really.

The general public can understand 'whipping' and condemn it out of hand, but rolkur', which is a technique which forces a horse's head down practically onto its chest and keeps it there for long periods of time, which is a completely unnatural position which , among other things, weakens its ability to use its hind legs, 'isn't something that the general public are going to really understand, is it?

Anan Sewell wrote a book about the evils of using the 'bearing rein' inappropriately for carriage horses; the general public of the time identified with that because they were familiar with horses used to pull carts and carriages. If she wrote as passionately abut rolkur today I doubt she'd get much reaction...

Well I ve never heard of rollur what is it I looked it up but unless it’s the way they make them keep their head down Why??? I didn’t really get it ?

MissInterpreted

I'm not suggesting anyone on here was being uncaring at all, Kate1949. My only hope is that, as I think I said elsewhere, that perhaps this may act as the equestrian world's #MeToo moment and shine a light on any cruel practices and promote kinder horsemanship across the board.

I, too, meant social media in general.

Social media now can be judge, jury and hangman.

MaizieD

MissInterpreted

MissAdventure

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

It probably will - and that can only be a good thing.

Do you think so?

Everyone knows about rolkur, which to my mind is one of the most evil things you can do to a horse, but it still goes on...

I can only hope so. I don't think 'everyone' knows about rollkur (which, by the way, I agree is a vile thing to do to a horse) - I think hardly anyone outside equestrian circles would have even heard of it. I haven't seen anything about it in the mainstream media before now, but the whole Charlotte Dujardin case has been completely all over mainstream news outlets, and they're obviously now looking for more examples of cruelty. That has to be good, surely?

MissInterpreted

MissAdventure

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

It probably will - and that can only be a good thing.

Do you think so?

Everyone knows about rolkur, which to my mind is one of the most evil things you can do to a horse, but it still goes on...

MissAdventure

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

It probably will - and that can only be a good thing.

The only good to come out of this is to ban dressage. It's not a million miles away from the middle-age fairground entertainment of putting fire to the feet of a bear to make it dance.
I do wonder about the mentality of anyone wanting this kind of control over an animal. What are they trying to prove?

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

What I meant was that my post may have come across as uncaring. Not anyone else's. Yes I hope some good comes out of it.