Charlotte Dujardin

MissAdventure

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

It probably will - and that can only be a good thing.

MissInterpreted

MissAdventure

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

It probably will - and that can only be a good thing.

Do you think so?

Everyone knows about rolkur, which to my mind is one of the most evil things you can do to a horse, but it still goes on...

MaizieD

MissInterpreted

MissAdventure

It already has, to my mind.

I think that this will probably lead to other cases being exposed.

It probably will - and that can only be a good thing.

Do you think so?

Everyone knows about rolkur, which to my mind is one of the most evil things you can do to a horse, but it still goes on...

I can only hope so. I don't think 'everyone' knows about rollkur (which, by the way, I agree is a vile thing to do to a horse) - I think hardly anyone outside equestrian circles would have even heard of it. I haven't seen anything about it in the mainstream media before now, but the whole Charlotte Dujardin case has been completely all over mainstream news outlets, and they're obviously now looking for more examples of cruelty. That has to be good, surely?

MissInterpreted

I'm not suggesting anyone on here was being uncaring at all, Kate1949. My only hope is that, as I think I said elsewhere, that perhaps this may act as the equestrian world's #MeToo moment and shine a light on any cruel practices and promote kinder horsemanship across the board.

I, too, meant social media in general.

Social media now can be judge, jury and hangman.

Well I ve never heard of rollur what is it I looked it up but unless it’s the way they make them keep their head down Why??? I didn’t really get it ?

BlueBelle

Well I ve never heard of rollur what is it I looked it up but unless it’s the way they make them keep their head down Why??? I didn’t really get it ?

This is it, really.

The general public can understand 'whipping' and condemn it out of hand, but rolkur', which is a technique which forces a horse's head down practically onto its chest and keeps it there for long periods of time, which is a completely unnatural position which , among other things, weakens its ability to use its hind legs, 'isn't something that the general public are going to really understand, is it?

Anan Sewell wrote a book about the evils of using the 'bearing rein' inappropriately for carriage horses; the general public of the time identified with that because they were familiar with horses used to pull carts and carriages. If she wrote as passionately abut rolkur today I doubt she'd get much reaction...

So, in effect, making the horse do an unnatural thing?

My personal feeling is that I hope that one day soon, it will not be permitted to have sport or entertainment which involve animals. I'm sure, as many on this thread have said, that most people do not mistreat their animals, but the whole business of the use of them for this type of thing leaves the possibility of cruelty, especially if it leads to high status or money, open.

To me that is not acceptable.

choughdancer

My personal feeling is that I hope that one day soon, it will not be permitted to have sport or entertainment which involve animals. I'm sure, as many on this thread have said, that most people do not mistreat their animals, but the whole business of the use of them for this type of thing leaves the possibility of cruelty, especially if it leads to high status or money, open.

To me that is not acceptable.

So, given that horses can live to over 30 years what will happen to all the horses involved in those banned sports?

I'd hope their owners would look after them.
It's the least they could do for their beloved animal

They’d live a bloody happier life I d hope Maybee70

Why do people want to use animals, my sister in law has best in breed and best in show in Crufts, she loves her dogs but they do not live a doggie life , I really don’t like seeing horses prance

choughdancer

My personal feeling is that I hope that one day soon, it will not be permitted to have sport or entertainment which involve animals. I'm sure, as many on this thread have said, that most people do not mistreat their animals, but the whole business of the use of them for this type of thing leaves the possibility of cruelty, especially if it leads to high status or money, open.

To me that is not acceptable.

Would you ban horse riding full stop then? Many many people get a great deal of pleasure from their horses and form very close bonds with them. If you've never ridden a horse, it's almost impossible to describe that. What about youngsters with their beloved ponies?

MissAdventure

I'd hope their owners would look after them.
It's the least they could do for their beloved animal

They won't, of course.
That would be impossible without an income.

They'd go to countries where they'd end up as 🥩

People who have animals should factor in the costs

Dujarden is worth 28 million, apparently.
So...

BlueBelle

They’d live a bloody happier life I d hope Maybee70

Doing what? What about the brood mares. The stallions? We’re talking about thousands of horses if we stop all equestrian events.

Surely they are bred for the events

MissAdventure

People who have animals should factor in the costs

Factor in the costs of what?

Campaigners stopping them riding competitively, using them for breeding, herding sheep, policecdogs, assistance dogs etc?

I had a friend who bred dogs, showed them and was a Crufts judge top. The offspring of her dogs are now in many countries. Her dogs were well looked after and led "doggy lives" when they weren't winning as best in breed.

The relationship between man (and woman) and animals has gone on for millennia.
They would not survive in the wild in most cases.

MissAdventure

So, in effect, making the horse do an unnatural thing?

Most definitely 'Yes'.

A horse can easily touch its chest momentarily to brush off a fly, but anchoring its head on its chest forcefully for any period of time is physically damaging, probably painful and very stressful.

MaizieD

MissAdventure

So, in effect, making the horse do an unnatural thing?

Most definitely 'Yes'.

A horse can easily touch its chest momentarily to brush off a fly, but anchoring its head on its chest forcefully for any period of time is physically damaging, probably painful and very stressful.

Isn't it banned in most countries?
I'm not sure about other countries where animals are treated abominably.

It's supposed to be banned... but...

Anniebach

Surely they are bred for the events

At the very top level of the sport, perhaps that is the case, but not for most riders. The vast majority of people competing in equestrian events (here in the UK, anyway) are doing so at a much lower level, at local shows, riding club events etc, possibly progressing to compete at a national level. They are riding ordinary ponies and horses, not ones which have been specially bred to compete. I think I commented earlier on this thread about a friend of my DiL who competes in dressage, cross country and show jumping on a Clydesdale horse. He certainly wasn't bred for any of that.

calli, the examples you give- I don't believe the animals are trained by whipping them.

I don't believe dressage horses are either.

Which is why, when clear evidence of abuse comes to light it needs to be addressed.