Chemical Castration for Dogs

this why so many dog owners are so thick. You either keep a dog or you keep bitches……..

You’re taking patronising, confrontational rudeness to another level here David49. You’re also appointing yourself the thread expert. You’ve had one bitch you ‘mistakenly’ adopted despite her having been spayed. She ‘was more trouble than all the others put together’ and this makes you more knowledgable than others posting here.
Get over yourself

“The entire dog is well behaved but his natural urges say break down the door. The bitch has reached her peak where is my Prince stage”

This is why many dog owners are so thick. You either keep dog, or you keep bitches, unless you intend to breed, even then you will likely choose a dog from another breeder.
Pet owners neuter their pets because it makes them easier to manage it’s entirely for their convenience, owners can be lazy and not train their pets properly, it could be a horse a dog or any other pet.

You can bet none of the dogs at Crufts were neutered yet they were all well behaved, because they had owners that trained them properly.

We did have dogs for many years all bitches, mistakenly we adopted one that had been speyed, she was more trouble than all the others put together. She dominated the others and you couldnt trust her with children.

Today we travel a lot so we have chosen to not have pets for now

A friend of my daughter's had this for her labrador as he was a nightmare and her squeamish husband couldn't bear the thought of him having his bits off. It made no difference whatsoever and so they had the op in the end and he is now a different dog, no humping, no aggression to other dogs.

I had my golden retriever chemically castrated as a puppy, around 6 months old if I recall correctly, on my vets advice. He was completely out of control, aggressive, disruptive etc.and beyond training. He was kicked out of puppy training school for being too disruptive. To have him chemically castrated was the best decision I ever made regarding his care. It turned him into the most lovable, comical, bouncy puppy that I could ever have wished for. He was loyal, beautifully behaved, loving and had the most wonderful personality throughout his entire life. He survived until he was 15 years old and we gave him the most wonderful, loving, pampered life that he deserved. I have never felt so much unconditional love, which he gave me and I have never felt such love again in my entire life. I still grieve for him daily and he passed away 14 years ago. My life has an empty void where he belonged. I would highly recommend this procedure as it completely changed my Josh’s personality for the better

All rescue organisations spay and neuter their dogs before rehoming I believe (?). I know it’s partly to prevent unwanted pregnancies but I’m sure they wouldn’t do it if they thought it was dangerous.

I wouldn't want to put myself through a 'trial' of any kind and if there has been even the tiniest hint of problems down the line, that would be the absolute cut off point for me. If I wouldn't do it, I won't put my dog through it, it's as simple as that.

Regarding castration, I um'd and ah'd for some time because I really didn't want to put my dogs through it. But two of my dogs were trying to be top dog and it became a nightmare. My daughter had the same problem with her dog and like me didn't want to put her dog through castration either. But looking back, it was worth it because both of these dogs have calmed right down, making life bearable again.

To sum up, if there are possible side effects of chemical castration, I wouldn't do it. No way, actually.

I beg to differ, watermeadow. I have witnessed a spayed bitch humping a neutered dog. It was an attempt to dominate, no question.

They also rely on social responsibility that reduces drug/alcohol abuse, youth offending, teenage pregnancy, etc. their culture is different than ours. People generally are more inclined to be socially responsible

Eloethan I most certainly did not say humping, or any other behaviour, was to do with ‘dominance’. That is an outdated and totally discredited concept and no reputable dog trainer believes it.

Many advanced countries, like the Scandinavian ones, do not routinely neuter their dogs as it is considered unnecessary mutilation. They rely on social responsibility to stop unwanted breeding.
Ideas change over time. 20 years ago vets advocated neutering baby puppies and kittens but thank goodness this has stopped as it caused serious health problems.

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Thanks Pip - a very cheering remark!! I have admitted that I am no dog trainer but do my best. When I am here and tell them to stop, the boy does and looks abject. When other people turn up, it is a complete hump-fest and uncontrollable. Therefore the suggestion of excitability is probably right. When they are out on the lead, butter wouldn't melt! Perfect gentlemen, friendly with everyone (two and four legs), other walkers say "What good boys". Sadly, we know differently!!! Grrrr...

I shall ring the vet next week. Many thanks.

David49

Barleyfields

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

I would be interested to know why those that oppose castrating farm animals, justify castrating dogs.

It’s entirely possible to keep males and females separate, farmers do it all the time.

Ok, say the owner of entire dogs and bitches lives in an ordinary family home. They have chikdren of various ages. The bitch in season is in the family room, the entire dog in the kitchen.
The entire dog is well behaved but his natural urges say break down the door. The bitch has reached her peak where is my Prince stage.
It’s a recipe for disaster. The dogs will be frustrated and desperate to do as nature intended. The children won’t be as obsessed with closing doors. That also assumes the dog hasn’t bitten through the door/jumped over the 6ft dog gate
Being smug is never a good look

David49

Barleyfields

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

I would be interested to know why those that oppose castrating farm animals, justify castrating dogs.

It’s entirely possible to keep males and females separate, farmers do it all the time.

Do the farm animals live in the farmers homes then? One in the living room, the other in the kitchen?

Did you read the post about the Alsatian who jumped a high fence?

Barleyfields

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

I would be interested to know why those that oppose castrating farm animals, justify castrating dogs.

It’s entirely possible to keep males and females separate, farmers do it all the time.

Once they are fully gown there are good health reasons for spaying bitches. Until. A bitch is spayed you have problems if you also have entire dogs of any age, either the dog or the bitch has to go on holiday until the danger of accidental impregnation. Just keeping her upstairs or the other side of the door doesn't work. The dogs get incredibly distressed.
One of said dogs actually died because of a problem with his reproductive tract. And the 2 dogs used to fight every so often. They were safe with the spayed bitches, never any aggression, just towards the other dog.
Some suggest trying the implant to see if the undesirable behaviour improves, and then if it does they will neuter then, if it doesn't or makes things worse then you know that it's not worth neutering them just for behavioral reasons.

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

It sounds as if your dog isn’t just sexy but is also badly behaved. How do you put up with all these things ?
Personally seeing a dog humping is really unpleasant particularly when it is a persons leg and especially mine. tend to laugh, Owners tend to laugh and just say “ Take no notice “ or similar but it is very anti social. Not everybody loves dogs, particularly attached to your leg.

Barleyfields

Well, Tenko, it was a man who made the comment …. I wonder if he would call a vasectomy mutilation for personal convenience?

Men can consent

Animal's can’t consent, many are against castrating male farm animals yet happily castrate cats and dogs entirely for their own convenience or enjoyment. We had dogs for years all kept entire, no major issues.

I never had my bitches spayed because I thought that owners did it purely out of convenience. Until my first whippet developed pyometra in middle age and nearly died. This was after I’d had a spaniel spayed in middle age because of mammary tumours. My current whippet had a suspected pyometra when she was quite young, but was due to be spayed anyway ( I always have them spayed now although not until they’ve had one or two seasons and had finished growing)I don’t know much about male dogs as I’ve always had bitches. Phantom pregnancies are very distressing for dogs and from what I’ve heard it’s difficult to know the best time to spay them to stop them suffering as their hormones are all over the place ( on the subject of irresponsible owners, someone complained that her dog had ran up to two dogs to play and their owner had hit it with a lead to turn it away; turns out one of the dogs it ran up to was a Japanese dog known to be fiercely protective of it’s family, and imo the dog walker was totally irresponsible in allowing an off lead dog run up to a breed that I would avoid like the plague. Also, the dog that ran up to the other dogs was a nervous rescue dog that was still quite nervous. Why allow a nervous dog to run up to strange dogs to play with them? I despair of people).

Well, Tenko, it was a man who made the comment …. I wonder if he would call a vasectomy mutilation for personal convenience?

There are some naive owners these days, younger than our generation I’d say, who think it’s ok to walk their on heat bitch in areas with lots of other often off lead dogs. One such had hers off lead “because her recall is good”
Crazy - an entire male would’ve be disuaded even if she was on lead

Tenko

I’ve had 3 labs , the first was never neutered but didn’t have any tendencies for humping or chasing female dogs. Plus this was 30 years ago and we were new dog owners . He died at 15 . Our second was a female and we spayed her after her first season.
Our current dog is male and we got him neutered at 18 months due to neutered males getting agressive with him. Plus all the dog boarders I met with , wouldn’t take an intact male. Because they’d had issues .
Personally, unless you intend to breed , I don’t understand why people don’t neuter.
It also makes dogs less attractive to dog theft . A friend with a female has neutered on her harness .
As for chemical neutering , a friend tried it. It didn’t work and she had him neutered.
Whoever said neutering is mutilating dogs , would they say having the snip is mutilating men.

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David49

Sounds like you are all in favour of mutilating dogs for your own convenience.

What??

It’s completely responsible for both dog and cat owners to have their animals neutered.

We found this out the hard way, many years ago, when the Alsatian next door to us managed to jump a 5ft fence, enter our home via the dog flap and impregnate our lovely Labrador cross, who subsequently gave birth to 11 live puppies!

There’s also medical reason for spading females, our cocker had “false” pregnancies and then when spade later in life had formed two huge benign tumours, only visible when she was opened up.