Chemical Castration for Dogs

It sounds as if your dog isn’t just sexy but is also badly behaved. How do you put up with all these things ?
Personally seeing a dog humping is really unpleasant particularly when it is a persons leg and especially mine. tend to laugh, Owners tend to laugh and just say “ Take no notice “ or similar but it is very anti social. Not everybody loves dogs, particularly attached to your leg.

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

Once they are fully gown there are good health reasons for spaying bitches. Until. A bitch is spayed you have problems if you also have entire dogs of any age, either the dog or the bitch has to go on holiday until the danger of accidental impregnation. Just keeping her upstairs or the other side of the door doesn't work. The dogs get incredibly distressed.
One of said dogs actually died because of a problem with his reproductive tract. And the 2 dogs used to fight every so often. They were safe with the spayed bitches, never any aggression, just towards the other dog.
Some suggest trying the implant to see if the undesirable behaviour improves, and then if it does they will neuter then, if it doesn't or makes things worse then you know that it's not worth neutering them just for behavioral reasons.

Barleyfields

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

I would be interested to know why those that oppose castrating farm animals, justify castrating dogs.

It’s entirely possible to keep males and females separate, farmers do it all the time.

Did you read the post about the Alsatian who jumped a high fence?

David49

Barleyfields

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

I would be interested to know why those that oppose castrating farm animals, justify castrating dogs.

It’s entirely possible to keep males and females separate, farmers do it all the time.

Do the farm animals live in the farmers homes then? One in the living room, the other in the kitchen?

David49

Barleyfields

Prevention of accidental pregnancies is hardly ‘convenience or enjoyment’. I’m sure you know how many unwanted dogs and cats there are, the shelters are bursting at the seams. Dogs and cats escape. It happens.

I have had both cats and dogs neutered or spayed. Very quick recovery, no adverse effects and in one case, where a benign tumour had presented, I was told by the vet that without castration a malignant tumour would almost certainly follow.

I would be interested to know why those that oppose castrating farm animals, justify castrating dogs.

It’s entirely possible to keep males and females separate, farmers do it all the time.

Ok, say the owner of entire dogs and bitches lives in an ordinary family home. They have chikdren of various ages. The bitch in season is in the family room, the entire dog in the kitchen.
The entire dog is well behaved but his natural urges say break down the door. The bitch has reached her peak where is my Prince stage.
It’s a recipe for disaster. The dogs will be frustrated and desperate to do as nature intended. The children won’t be as obsessed with closing doors. That also assumes the dog hasn’t bitten through the door/jumped over the 6ft dog gate
Being smug is never a good look

Thanks Pip - a very cheering remark!! I have admitted that I am no dog trainer but do my best. When I am here and tell them to stop, the boy does and looks abject. When other people turn up, it is a complete hump-fest and uncontrollable. Therefore the suggestion of excitability is probably right. When they are out on the lead, butter wouldn't melt! Perfect gentlemen, friendly with everyone (two and four legs), other walkers say "What good boys". Sadly, we know differently!!! Grrrr...

I shall ring the vet next week. Many thanks.

Dalrymple23 👍🏻

Many advanced countries, like the Scandinavian ones, do not routinely neuter their dogs as it is considered unnecessary mutilation. They rely on social responsibility to stop unwanted breeding.
Ideas change over time. 20 years ago vets advocated neutering baby puppies and kittens but thank goodness this has stopped as it caused serious health problems.

Eloethan I most certainly did not say humping, or any other behaviour, was to do with ‘dominance’. That is an outdated and totally discredited concept and no reputable dog trainer believes it.

They also rely on social responsibility that reduces drug/alcohol abuse, youth offending, teenage pregnancy, etc. their culture is different than ours. People generally are more inclined to be socially responsible

I beg to differ, watermeadow. I have witnessed a spayed bitch humping a neutered dog. It was an attempt to dominate, no question.

I wouldn't want to put myself through a 'trial' of any kind and if there has been even the tiniest hint of problems down the line, that would be the absolute cut off point for me. If I wouldn't do it, I won't put my dog through it, it's as simple as that.

Regarding castration, I um'd and ah'd for some time because I really didn't want to put my dogs through it. But two of my dogs were trying to be top dog and it became a nightmare. My daughter had the same problem with her dog and like me didn't want to put her dog through castration either. But looking back, it was worth it because both of these dogs have calmed right down, making life bearable again.

To sum up, if there are possible side effects of chemical castration, I wouldn't do it. No way, actually.

All rescue organisations spay and neuter their dogs before rehoming I believe (?). I know it’s partly to prevent unwanted pregnancies but I’m sure they wouldn’t do it if they thought it was dangerous.

I had my golden retriever chemically castrated as a puppy, around 6 months old if I recall correctly, on my vets advice. He was completely out of control, aggressive, disruptive etc.and beyond training. He was kicked out of puppy training school for being too disruptive. To have him chemically castrated was the best decision I ever made regarding his care. It turned him into the most lovable, comical, bouncy puppy that I could ever have wished for. He was loyal, beautifully behaved, loving and had the most wonderful personality throughout his entire life. He survived until he was 15 years old and we gave him the most wonderful, loving, pampered life that he deserved. I have never felt so much unconditional love, which he gave me and I have never felt such love again in my entire life. I still grieve for him daily and he passed away 14 years ago. My life has an empty void where he belonged. I would highly recommend this procedure as it completely changed my Josh’s personality for the better

A friend of my daughter's had this for her labrador as he was a nightmare and her squeamish husband couldn't bear the thought of him having his bits off. It made no difference whatsoever and so they had the op in the end and he is now a different dog, no humping, no aggression to other dogs.

“The entire dog is well behaved but his natural urges say break down the door. The bitch has reached her peak where is my Prince stage”

This is why many dog owners are so thick. You either keep dog, or you keep bitches, unless you intend to breed, even then you will likely choose a dog from another breeder.
Pet owners neuter their pets because it makes them easier to manage it’s entirely for their convenience, owners can be lazy and not train their pets properly, it could be a horse a dog or any other pet.

You can bet none of the dogs at Crufts were neutered yet they were all well behaved, because they had owners that trained them properly.

We did have dogs for many years all bitches, mistakenly we adopted one that had been speyed, she was more trouble than all the others put together. She dominated the others and you couldnt trust her with children.

Today we travel a lot so we have chosen to not have pets for now

this why so many dog owners are so thick. You either keep a dog or you keep bitches……..

You’re taking patronising, confrontational rudeness to another level here David49. You’re also appointing yourself the thread expert. You’ve had one bitch you ‘mistakenly’ adopted despite her having been spayed. She ‘was more trouble than all the others put together’ and this makes you more knowledgable than others posting here.
Get over yourself

This is why dog owners are so thick
Every word is just wrong David not to mention rude and ill-informed showing a depressing degree of ignorance.
Of course show dogs at Crufts aren’t neutered- they are entered by breeders (the clue is in the word) and with the exception of the agility classes, we have no evidence of their training or otherwise. But you can bet the farm that bitches in season give any show a miss.
PS the word you wanted was spayed, nothing to do with the Scottish river.

Today we travel a lot so we have chosen to not have pets for now,
Well that's no excuse either. I'm neither a lazy nor thick dog owner. My dog travels with me to France four times a year, it costs a fortune and incurs some sacrifices for me during my stay. When I fly somewhere, he is well looked after at DD1's with his sibling.
Most dog owners do their best for their pets.

It really is worth going the chemical castration route first to see whether your dog suits castration. My sister found that her dog was far better castrated but my friend went down the chemical castration route and her dog's anxiety shot through the roof so he became very reactive. It too ages for the chemicals to stop working so she had a calmer boy again. Some dogs just need their testosterone, others don't.

Iam64

*this why so many dog owners are so thick. You either keep a dog or you keep bitches……..*

You’re taking patronising, confrontational rudeness to another level here David49. You’re also appointing yourself the thread expert. You’ve had one bitch you ‘mistakenly’ adopted despite her having been spayed. She ‘was more trouble than all the others put together’ and this makes you more knowledgable than others posting here.
Get over yourself

Well said, Iam. I couldn’t agree more. 👏👏👏

Chemical castration is a temporary measure, neutering is for life. If the latter is the wrong thing for your dog, there is no going back. Chemical castration is no worse for a dog than a woman having the pill as an implant. Once the implant is removed, the side effects gradually dissipate.
Dog owners aren't thick they just don't always do due diligence to their research to inform themselves. One mis-spay isn't doing proper research. For every bitch that has problems after spaying there are many more who have had positive experiences. My bitch was spayed early (using my vet's advice) and it was totally the wrong thing for her. She was too young and it has impacted her temperament enormously. She is the first bitch I have ever had neutered but just because things have been problematic this time, it won't mean that I will condemn spaying forever for all dogs. It just means I will take the time to research things better.

David, you can bet the professional breeders and owners of the dogs shown at Crufts keep their entire male dogs isolated (and unhappy) in kennels when their bitches are in season, except for breeding purposes, or travel with their in-season bitches to chosen entire males for breeding. Not an ideal existence, and very little comparison with the life of the average family pet.