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What is a marriage?

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Snowdrop Sat 29-Jul-17 13:49:18

I've been with my second husband 10 years or so. I married him knowing I didn't love him, but we got on well together and I thought he was what I needed. He was highly intelligent, well educated, loving, interesting and fun. We would talk for hours about anything and everything. He helped me sort my money troubles that my first husband left me and I'll always be grateful for that. He didn't give me money but he instilled in me the ethos that you can't have what you don't have the money for.

Not long in to the marriage I discovered he was using online porn (which I have no issues with), online chat rooms and dating sites. I tackled him and he swore nothing had happened. This recurred over the next few years. It erodes trust gradually, and any marriage needs trust to survive.

I work full time, he took early retirement from the military and was retired when I met him. I am due to be made redundant at the end of this year, I'll be 63 by then so can take my full pension, lump sum and redundancy. Being at home with no purpose to life is anathema to me so I shall find a part time job or do voluntary work.

The mortgage will be paid off when I retire and I have approx 1/3 share in the house - he put in a lot more capital than I.

My husband does nothing with his days other than walk the dogs (unless I'm home, when I do it), a bit of model railway stuff and online gaming. That's it. If I ask he will put the rubbish out, mow the lawn and do local shopping. Oh and Hoover after a fashion if the cleaner doesn't do her weekly 2 hour stint. He does his own ironing because I refuse to do it. I do everything else. He drinks too much, has high blood pressure and sleep apnoea, though isn't very overweight - like many men he needs to lose about a stone which is mostly beer gut.

We sleep in separate rooms, haven't had sex for 4 or 5 years and to be honest I'm at the end of my tether.

He will go from one week to the next without showering or washing his hair, regardless of the weather. I've just rescued a pair of trousers and underpants he's worn for more than a week, possibly nearer two, and put them in the wash. To be blunt, at times he smells. He was going to join the same gym as me but ever since has complained of some ache or another that stops him. He enjoys ill health and is the biggest hypochondriac out. I know that sounds unsympathetic but it wears very thin after a while. I worry that lack of social interaction, stimulation and outside interests as well as incipient health issues are all red flags for dementia.

Do I stay and make the best of a bad job with the man I've described who I don't love? I'm pretty sure he doesn't love me either, but I'm very convenient to have around! Money won't be a problem as he has a very generous pension - and with no mortgage and my less generous pension but a stash of cash we're financially secure.

Do I go? Break out and escape while I can and live the life of an independent single woman that seems so appealing in theory but in practice may be lonely and is daunting. With less money and financial security but no being taken for granted and no endless moaning.

There are other things like the fact he is estranged from his sister (I've never met her), his younger son (they had a final blazing row on holiday, so we now never see his only grandchild), and my son (my husband had a row with him over who my son should invite to his own wedding. The upshot of that is I go and visit my son, and his family, but they don't visit us).

We no longer communicate on more than a fairly basic level, he certainly isn't the man I married, and that's sad. We seem to be aging at vastly different rates and our life force and joie de vivre are on different scales entirely.

He is fairly easy going in that I have my own interests and money and he isn't controlling or cruel. He is very opinionated and assertive as you can probably tell by the number of family members he's rowed with. He's right and everyone else is wrong, may be an age thing - grumpy old man syndrome!

Advice? Thoughts?

Grannyknot Sat 29-Jul-17 14:08:57

Run as fast as you can.

I read posts like this and I for the life of me cannot understand why people stick around...

Luckygirl Sat 29-Jul-17 14:33:39

Doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

Cherrytree59 Sat 29-Jul-17 14:33:56

Take your money, pension and run.
Rent somewhere small and work part-time.
This man is not showing you any respect.
You will have your own space where you will be able to have your family and grandchild to visit.

Good luckflowers

rosesarered Sat 29-Jul-17 14:40:25

You say there is no love, but is there mutual affection?Would you miss him?
Have you weighed up the pros and cons?
It doesn't sound from your post Snowdrop that you really want to stay, but only you know your feelings.

Liz46 Sat 29-Jul-17 15:00:53

I think maybe a trip to a solicitor may be an idea. They will usually give you a free half hour to discuss the practicalities. (Make notes or take a trusted friend with you to take notes.)

Would your house have to be sold to give you your share or would he have enough money to take out a mortgage?

There are many ways of making friends when you retire. Join a gym, knitting group, volunteer to do charity work etc.

kittylester Sat 29-Jul-17 15:52:13

The advice above seems sensible and the only way forward unless, as roses said, there is mutual affection and/or you would miss him. It doesn't appear that either is the case but only you can know. Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

Christinefrance Sat 29-Jul-17 18:14:18

Don't seem to be many positives with your marriage snowdrop. Sit down calmly and list the pros and cons of staying in this relationship then take action. Better to be alone and happy than miserable within a marriage.
Bon courage .

Coolgran65 Sat 29-Jul-17 18:23:45

Definitely better to be alone and happy, than miserable within a marriage (as per Christinefrance). And it's not really a marriage as it should be.

Just one point, you said you'd only be entitled to 1/3 of the value of the house. Why would it not be 50/50.
Anyways..... if you're miserable, why would you stay.

Menopaws Sat 29-Jul-17 18:32:08

What is the worst that can happen? You are on your own, have to make own decisions, maybe move.
What's the best? You are on your own, have to make your own decisions, maybe move....into a house of your choice where you want, choose to do Vol work, meet new people, stop being taken for granted, doing someone else's washing, have meaningful conversations with other people, learn to smile again and reunite with your family. You have many more good years to please yourself...why are you waiting.??

Envious Sat 29-Jul-17 20:30:13

My first thought would be is this man one who would be there through thick and thin? Supportive if you had a health need? I'm sure you would be. Having family sure helps but a supportive spouse is priceless. If he wouldn't be then I definitely would put my happiness first.

Chewbacca Sat 29-Jul-17 20:32:14

I agree with Menopaws , why are you waiting? I stayed in a loveless marriage for 10 years, mainly because I was afraid to leave. But then an opportunity came up for me to rent a small house that, if I was very careful, I could just afford. 15 years later, I have a good career; my own mortgage free house; a car and a very busy social life and the freedom to do what I want, when I want. The only regret I have is that I waited so long, simply because of fear of the unknown. Don't wait too long Snowdrop, life is too short to be unnecessarily unhappy.

Menopaws Sat 29-Jul-17 21:01:31

Your question was. Is this a marriage? No it is not. A marriage should be a lovely shared experience over many years of your life where love and laughter come easily with joyous familiarity. Not always easy and changes can happen , good and bad, but a good marriage is a lovely thing. You admit you don't love each other so this is just a convenient type of loose partnership where you look after him and not yourself. You sound strong enough to make a change, don't waste time being fed up snowdrop, all the best. Sorry if I'm outspoken here but I have my reasons

Fairydoll2030 Sat 29-Jul-17 21:10:52

Just to add.... If you divorce, the fact that you only put 1/3rd into the house will make no difference to your financial settlement. You have been married ten years and, in the eyes of the law, you would normally be entitled to 50% of the marital assets. You may or may not wish to pursue this - but it is your entitlement.

Bobbysgirl19 Sat 29-Jul-17 21:18:12

Snowdrop, why did you marry him in the first place, when you say you didn't love him. Read your original post through. I think you will find the answer, as you have articulated it very well. Just my opinion which you say you are seeking.

Luckylegs9 Sun 30-Jul-17 09:25:36

Wouldn't work for me. You say you're not bothered about on line porn etc. Maybe it's me, but that is not the type of person I would share my life with or want in my grandchildrens life. If that makes me old fashioned so be it. I am broad minded but there are limits, I realise how lucky I have been, would honestly prefer to be alone than with him.

Pamaga Sun 30-Jul-17 09:27:33

The answer is in your question really. Go, now, and get a life of your own on your terms! Good luck x

Sheilasue Sun 30-Jul-17 09:28:30

I agree with grannyknot, run as fast as you can. You deserve better. Start a new life, never to late

Snowdrop Sun 30-Jul-17 09:32:42

Thank you to all of you who have taken the time to read my post and to respond.
Liz46 that's an excellent idea about the solicitor, and something I will do - thank you. Yes, the house would have to be sold. One thing that has occurred to me is that he may be entitled to a share in my cash assets (redundancy and lump sum) though not pension as his is twice the amount mine will be. Again a solicitor will know.
Fairydoll2030 that's very much worth knowing, thank you, and something I will raise with the solicitor - it certainly puts things in to a slightly different perspective!
I have weighed up the pros and cons - endlessly it seems. All of your comments have helped in that process.
In answer to all of you who have asked why am I waiting? Practicality I'm afraid. Until the mortgage is paid off I cannot afford to move out and rent somewhere whilst the marital home is sold (rent + mortgage = £££££) so I have to wait to the end of the year when things will be different.
Is there affection? Good question. Like brother and sister is the nearest answer I can give.
Menopaws (great name!) thank you for your honest response. I agree 100% with you as to what a marriage should be and this isn't, it's exactly as you describe so no apology needed.
Bobbysgirl19 I know why I married him - at least I do now, with 20/20 hindsight, I was in a mess from my first marriage (emotionally and financially) and he offered me security - chiefly financial. Perhaps I should also ask myself why he married me!

bettyboo22 Sun 30-Jul-17 09:34:34

Hi there
I'd say go if you can if you have enough money to rent or buy a house go as fast as you can nd look for meet ups in your area if you want to meet up people . I'm stuck wit my dh as I don't have the money to go but I'd go if I could . Why stay it's your life don't let him drag you down as mine is doing to me RUN

Grandmapeepee Sun 30-Jul-17 09:34:40

I wholeheartedly agree. Go before you become his carer as well as his lifestyle will get him soon and then you will be totally trapped as you will feel guilty. Go. You deserve a life . Good luck . There's help for over 60s getting properties and things so do it while you can . Xxxx

Thirdinline Sun 30-Jul-17 09:34:41

If I were you, I'd leave. The chat rooms & ensuing lack of trust would be the straw that broke the camel's back for me. You sound lovely and with your independence and future voluntary or part-time work I'm sure you will lead a happier, more fulfilling life without him. Best of luck x

radicalnan Sun 30-Jul-17 09:36:11

If you leave him will you sever all ties? Or will you, as I have seen so many friends do, end up with him as an ex who still occupies lots of your life? Will you miss him?

There are no easy answers to this one, only you know your feelings. It would be unfortunate to give up the potential benefits of being his widow if you still had him as a daily visitor..........he doesn't sound well to me, if he were depressed and able to do something about it, would you stay?

Apologies for sounding so mercenary but a friend divorced her husband, and the legal costs and moving etc were quite high in comparison to their joint assets......he died a couple of years later and left everything to a charity.

I hope you can see your way to a happy future and him too of course.

Soniah Sun 30-Jul-17 09:39:37

Sounds as if he might have depression, could you get him to visit the Doctor? From your point of view you are still young, too young to waste the next 20 or more years of your life, get out.

Theoddbird Sun 30-Jul-17 09:44:13

Leave and enjoy the rest of your life the way you want it to be...x