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Snowdrop Sat 29-Jul-17 13:49:18

I've been with my second husband 10 years or so. I married him knowing I didn't love him, but we got on well together and I thought he was what I needed. He was highly intelligent, well educated, loving, interesting and fun. We would talk for hours about anything and everything. He helped me sort my money troubles that my first husband left me and I'll always be grateful for that. He didn't give me money but he instilled in me the ethos that you can't have what you don't have the money for.

Not long in to the marriage I discovered he was using online porn (which I have no issues with), online chat rooms and dating sites. I tackled him and he swore nothing had happened. This recurred over the next few years. It erodes trust gradually, and any marriage needs trust to survive.

I work full time, he took early retirement from the military and was retired when I met him. I am due to be made redundant at the end of this year, I'll be 63 by then so can take my full pension, lump sum and redundancy. Being at home with no purpose to life is anathema to me so I shall find a part time job or do voluntary work.

The mortgage will be paid off when I retire and I have approx 1/3 share in the house - he put in a lot more capital than I.

My husband does nothing with his days other than walk the dogs (unless I'm home, when I do it), a bit of model railway stuff and online gaming. That's it. If I ask he will put the rubbish out, mow the lawn and do local shopping. Oh and Hoover after a fashion if the cleaner doesn't do her weekly 2 hour stint. He does his own ironing because I refuse to do it. I do everything else. He drinks too much, has high blood pressure and sleep apnoea, though isn't very overweight - like many men he needs to lose about a stone which is mostly beer gut.

We sleep in separate rooms, haven't had sex for 4 or 5 years and to be honest I'm at the end of my tether.

He will go from one week to the next without showering or washing his hair, regardless of the weather. I've just rescued a pair of trousers and underpants he's worn for more than a week, possibly nearer two, and put them in the wash. To be blunt, at times he smells. He was going to join the same gym as me but ever since has complained of some ache or another that stops him. He enjoys ill health and is the biggest hypochondriac out. I know that sounds unsympathetic but it wears very thin after a while. I worry that lack of social interaction, stimulation and outside interests as well as incipient health issues are all red flags for dementia.

Do I stay and make the best of a bad job with the man I've described who I don't love? I'm pretty sure he doesn't love me either, but I'm very convenient to have around! Money won't be a problem as he has a very generous pension - and with no mortgage and my less generous pension but a stash of cash we're financially secure.

Do I go? Break out and escape while I can and live the life of an independent single woman that seems so appealing in theory but in practice may be lonely and is daunting. With less money and financial security but no being taken for granted and no endless moaning.

There are other things like the fact he is estranged from his sister (I've never met her), his younger son (they had a final blazing row on holiday, so we now never see his only grandchild), and my son (my husband had a row with him over who my son should invite to his own wedding. The upshot of that is I go and visit my son, and his family, but they don't visit us).

We no longer communicate on more than a fairly basic level, he certainly isn't the man I married, and that's sad. We seem to be aging at vastly different rates and our life force and joie de vivre are on different scales entirely.

He is fairly easy going in that I have my own interests and money and he isn't controlling or cruel. He is very opinionated and assertive as you can probably tell by the number of family members he's rowed with. He's right and everyone else is wrong, may be an age thing - grumpy old man syndrome!

Advice? Thoughts?

Saggi Sun 30-Jul-17 17:17:04

Run !Snowdrop. Run! I'm married to the same man. He couldn't wait to be old .... and started when he was 45 ish! He stopped working at 50... and has sat in an armchair watching TVs from then 'til now ....he's 71! He loves to moan! I worked til I was 63... I should never have retired. But I keep busy with my home my grandkids and my friends. He has no friends, no conversation and no interest in anything. He hardly knows his grandkids' names ( which he doesn't approve of) and makes out he can't pronounce them. He's childish , mean, verbally abusive and I dislike him intensely . But unlike you I can't afford to run away ... you can...so go!! Life really is too short!! Go now!

BellaT2 Sun 30-Jul-17 17:29:01

What do you mean, PensionPat?

Synonymous Sun 30-Jul-17 17:44:41

Snowdrop you really don't sound too sure about whether you need to do anything or not. I don't think any of us husbands or wives are perfect in any way and we all have our oddities and funnyiosities. If every marriage which wasn't perfect was made to end in divorce there would be no married people left at all!
I would agree with lizzypopbottle that he does sound depressed and in fact there could be many different reasons for this. Had you considered that he is as disappointed with how the marriage has turned out as you are? You did say that he was totally different to begin with and was a witty and lively companion so when did it change and have you noticed any other things which may be signs of problems? I am thinking particularly of the fact that he was in the military. We have a friend who is retired from the military and he has gone from one wife/partner to another over the years and just cannot seem to settle. It would appear that it is the chase that is the best part of all his relationships and once the lady is won it is all downhill from there. He needs the discipline of an objective and there are many others in this situation which is one reason why military homes for the elderly are so valuable. Perhaps you need to start a military campaign of your own to keep him busy with projects or jobs! It would seem that you don't really talk at present and it might be a really good idea to have a good talk with him and try to get him to his GP.
Once you begin thinking negatively of any situation you will find yourself on the hunt for something worse to cap the last thought. Conversely it will work the other way too in that if you think of things for which you are thankful and give praise for whatever it is you start to feel better and the situation no longer feels as it did.
You are approaching a huge milestone in your own life and retirement is looming large in your thoughts so are you sure that you are not transferring all your concerns from one situation to another? You have so much to think of and it would be a pity to throw everything away.

Smetterling you have my greatest respect! flowers

soozieee Sun 30-Jul-17 18:25:10

Snowdrop ask your solicitor whether he is entitled to any of your redundancy money if you file for divorce before you are made redundant because I don't think he will be.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Sun 30-Jul-17 18:46:47

This is tricky. When I read the first couple of paragraphs it seemed like a good idea to stay BUT on reading further your situation sounded so much worse.
Is it possible for you to have a trial separation? Or maybe go away for a week or so to different surroundings and 'gather your thoughts'?
Possibly it could trigger in him a change (though it seems doubtful) and then you could take it from there. To stay sounds rather self-destructive - slowly eroding your happiness - which is no way to live. Only you can ultimately decide. flowers

Venus Sun 30-Jul-17 18:59:45

It all depends if you can survive financially on your own. If you think you can survive and the situation is unbearable, then make another life for yourself. Sometimes, it is easier said then done, but only you know if you have the courage and the wherewithall to do this.

aggie Sun 30-Jul-17 19:08:29

sorry , the hygiene and porn would have me heading for the hills .

Christinefrance Sun 30-Jul-17 19:14:52

Me too aggie

GadaboutGran Sun 30-Jul-17 19:34:24

I can't add more to what has been said except to say if he retired from the military & was involved in active service, even a long time ago, it might be worth seeking advice from Combat Stress. His behaviours show many signs of entrenched PTSD. Often they will not make the first move themselves but you can ask advice. If you leave you can then feel you've done something to help his future. Good luck & future happiness for both of you. Leaving may improve his happiness too.

pensionpat Sun 30-Jul-17 19:43:02

Bells. It's yet another post from Luluaugust. There have been several from her and another poster, selling Spells. I've reported about 4.

pensionpat Sun 30-Jul-17 19:44:30

Oops. Not Bells obviously. Sorry BellaT2.

Stella14 Sun 30-Jul-17 19:48:22

In fairness and defence of W11girl, Snowdrop did state in a later post (i.e. Not her OP) that she married this man although she did not love him because he gave her financial and emotional support. Due to that, I think W11girl's comment is valid, albeit perhaps put in stronger terms than I might use.

It's worth noting that Military Men have for years been drilled in, and drilled others in, cleanliness, clothing washed and ironed to within an inch of itself and shoes shined so that you can see your face in them. This usually stays with them for life. As others have said, he may be suffering from clinical depression. Becoming withdrawn, lacking interest in things and lack of 'self care' (washing, changing clothes etc) are symptoms of that. Perhaps, like many people, he felt a tremendous loss when he retired. Did he then realise that you don't love him, or did he already know that. Remember, just as his behaviour and attitude effects you Snowdrop, yours will equally effect him. If you want the marriage to be over, then it's right for you to leave, but after 10-years, maybe you owe him support, badgering (whatever it takes) to get him to a doctor and look into what help he might need if any, before you go. If you have never loved him, you are unlikely to start now, so counselling will probably only allow you both to understand the relationship, yourselves and each other better, and maybe make the break more amicable.

pensionpat Sun 30-Jul-17 19:49:43

Oh no!!! I've read that post again. Properly. I have misjudged LuluAugust badly. Her name is very like a dodgy poster. My abject apologies to Lulu. I shall contact HO to apologise too. Is there an emoticon for "hangs head in shame"

Sorry to everyone???

luluaugust Sun 30-Jul-17 19:54:34

pensionpat no prob, couldn't think what I had done.... I can be a bit of an old witch sometimes!!

pensionpat Sun 30-Jul-17 20:18:52

Lulu that is very generous. I feel better now you've posted. X

MagicBubble Sun 30-Jul-17 20:41:37

I am in a marriage where there is no intimacy but I don't want to leave - mostly because of the upset to the children and grandchildren, but also the upheaval of a divorce and the financial consequences

A few years ago I decided to find a secret lover and have an affair. We meet during the day nearly once a week and have lovely chats, kisses and cuddles - and a lot more !

There is a wonderful joy of having someone who cares for me, pays attention and stimulates me in so many ways

I used an online dating site called "illicit encounters" to find my lover. Once you eliminate the toy-boys and the "chancers" you can find someone who is reasonably well matched and looking for similar things to you.

During the online chat phase I asked them to describe what our second date would be like, which gave me some surprising answers. I made a short list of 5 and arranged to meet each of them them - separately - in a safe public place before selecting one.

I had a short affair with the first and have then had a most wonderful time with the same lover for nearly 3 years

I made a concious decision to never rock the boat at home, and we have become better friends. I think that this is mostly because I could let the nonsense at home flow over me as I have always had the warm feeling inside me that I would soon be meeting my lover again

Worth a thought ?

cc Sun 30-Jul-17 20:47:14

Silly question Snowdrop but have you actually spoken to him about his behaviour, as luluaugust suggested? Perhaps he is as unhappy with the current situation as you are? His personality seems to have taken a dip since you first came together and it is obvious that he has fallen out with a lot of people, there could be some problem behind it all.
Many of the posters here say to leave him, some women are very happy living independently but some are not. Only you can know if you would prefer it.

Christinefrance Sun 30-Jul-17 21:24:03

That's a fairly drastic solution Magicbubble but if it works for you good luck.

BlueBelle Sun 30-Jul-17 21:29:22

Why is this story sounding so familiar to me ? I m sure I ve commented on one written before yesterday It was the smelliness that I commented on but I don't recognise the poster as Snowdrop

aggie Sun 30-Jul-17 21:40:29

It does ring a bell , sorry , for the pun lol

petra Sun 30-Jul-17 21:43:39

What advice would you give to a friend who told you this, you know the answer.

geeljay Sun 30-Jul-17 23:46:02

Without happiness, we have nothing. You have a tough decision to make. The consensus above says 'run'. But also be aware, that without a partner, it can be pretty lonely out there. Above all, you must choose what you feel is right for you. Be lucky

maddy629 Mon 31-Jul-17 06:32:27

Snowdrop you already know the answer to your question, I can't understand why you are still there. If it's this bad now, what is it going to be like after you retire? Get out as soon as you can.

MawBroon Mon 31-Jul-17 08:18:05

Either it is a more common predicament than some of us had imagined, BlueBelle or you have a very valid point. hmm

I would just add that if a person does marry for financial security and by admission "without love" perhaps it was unreasonable to expect more.
Why should the man do more than walk the dogs, play with his train sets and on his computer? As money is no object, a cleaner/gardener can surely deal with the domestic stuff.
The issues with his family are essentially his business and I don't understand why they play such a part in OP's dissatisfaction.

If you don't like the marriage you have taken on, get out.

f77ms Mon 31-Jul-17 08:27:50

He sounds disgusting to be frank , why would you stay ? You are young enough to make a new life , there is so much to do these days with various clubs and volunteer work there really is no need to be lonely ! I have been on my own for 10 years and it was the best thing I ever did . Don`t waste any more time and get out now xx