Support for Grans cut-out of AC&GC lives

Thanks fairydoll been see dr about knee and he kindly sounded chest, not too bad thank goodness.

Going be very careful this weekend. Good news he is going to do jabs in knee for me (been discharged from hospital) I explained I didn't want undergo knee op for at least year or two he understood,

Sorry you came back from Florida with cough, they can drag on did you get antibiotics in end?

I had some before Xmas same dr. I had awful throats and he immediately asked what antibiotics I could take,

Hope your feeling lot better now fairydoll?

Well managed to pack and even done my nails!
Dh cooked tea bless.

I know it's not in same league as losing my daughter but still reeling from her godmother ending our 46 year friendship, things change I know but I just thought we would always be friends.

I have no idea why you weren't given leave to,apply to court when we were I assumed it was formality Celebgran you weren't given leave to apply to the courts, you were given your application forms back as they were filled in incorrectly. If you had have gone to court your D & s.i.l would have to attend, where they would have certainly contested, as did my D & s.i.l, the Judge then sets another court hearing, where you must all attend, the Judge then hears from both sides & reads from your statements, then decides weather to grant the GP permission to go to court for the visitation order to see their GC. The law hasn't changed on this.

Everyone told me not to worry, as the Judge would see through my s.i.l's lies, but the Judge didn't, my s.i.l lied the whole way through, even lied to his barrister. The Judge also read from s.i.l's statement, made by his mother, packed full of lies. I on the other hand, told the truth the whole way through and didn't have a barrister. This taught me that Judges are not to be trusted, as they get it wrong sometimes, just like the rest of us. So my precious GD was denied everyone that loved & adored her & she us, her real blood family

Oh celeb why on earth did your friend end the friendship? How sad after 46 years

Celeb, on your weekend away, hope you are not snowed I like I am, talking to the wall now.
To those of you with coughs, I know so many that have had them since before Christmas, it lingers for ages, my son had it before Christmas and it's still not gone. At a meeting last week, there were so many coughing including the Lecturer I nearly fled, but I stuck it out with fingers crossed. I just hope you get well soon all that have it.
Rhinestone, you enjoy the sun in Florda, daresay you are reeling at the last few days at the White House.?

No.we weren't yogagirl I keep telling u the law has changed the form's changed we didn't fill them in incorrectly why on rarth are u bringing this up again? We had advantage as my sons partner was a solicitor I thought I made it ckeat the forms changed ? Then we decided not to go ahead. However we had permission to go to court and apply for contact order
We decided way too stressful
Our daughter refused mediation which is now compulsory it wasn't when u applied.

Our solicitor said this gave us and advantage but we didn't want fight our daughter

Am sorry you still agonizing over this.

Long story madgran but thanks is upsetting started over awful meal at hers last Nov we were both I'll and triggered nasty texts
To be honest we drifted apart some time now but still distressing.

Lucklegs thanks cough is v nasty painful and thick phlegm but good spend time with friends one couple Ill too we been able relax. V cold here but no snow sorry u stuck in
Been frantic as bombing in Kabul where our son is thank god he texted me ok.

First of all, hope everybody is well again soon! Have an annoying cough, myself. It's almost gone, but poor dh has it now.

LL, so sorry you're snowed in. But perhaps you can use the time to just relax, enjoy a good book and some good tv?

And celeb, so sorry about the breakup of your long term friendship. So sad when that happens.

Also, you must be so worried about ds. Good to hear that he's ok. He will be in my prayers.

I know you keep telling me Celebgran but that doesn't mean you are correct and it wasn't me that brought it up, but you; I have no idea why you weren't given leave to,apply to court when we were I assumed it was formality

So you have a legal document from the courts, signed and stamped by a Judge saying you have permission to go to court for visitation rights do you? I have this document, it took me almost a year of hell, going to the courts 3 times, but mine says permission denied Yet you saw your solicitor a couple of times, filled in the forms incorrectly, these were sent back to you to re-do, which you decided against doing. You then received the document from the courts, signed & stamped by the Judge, giving you permission? I would love to see this document, as I don't believe you have it. You are welcome to see mine. The law hasn't changed and your son knowing a solicitor would make no deference.

Sorry Celebgran I cannot let your comment go, after all I went through in the courts. I'm not having 'a go' at you exactly, just stating the facts of English law.

Blimey I don't post on here regularly as I find people so unreceptive. Even though I am estranged from eldest son.No children involved,but he is after all my son. Yogagirl why are you doubting Celebs view on what happened in her circumstances, your supposed to support one another,not tear each other down.

I'm not tearing her down Grannygrace, as I said above. But if you had been what I went through, a year of hell going to the courts 3 times, and then someone says, they got it 'just like that' without even filling the forms in correctly, and saying Oh, I got it, don't know why you didn't I'm sure it would put anyone's back-up especially keep saying the law has changed, when it hasn't!

I'm sorry you have lost your son grannygrace

Grannygrace why don't you tell us your story, you've never mentioned this before. I know it must hurt very badly, not seeing your Son, and even though there are no GC involved, this is still a support page for Mother's estranged from their adult child. It helps to share xx

I have mentioned it before actually, but its a long story. And is now almost 10 years since we have seen our son.It all came to to money in the end we were not forthcoming,so we were cut off.

There is no point going back to what happened years ago. Its passed, why keep bringing it up? It would be a pity if the thread was taken over once more by who did what differently.
Granny grace, so sorry you are estranged from your son at the moment, hope that you do get reconciled as it such a miserable time not seeing the child you love, whatever age they are it hurts the same.

Yogagirl you posted

I would love to see this document, as I don't believe you have it.
That is unneccesary in my book.You have more or less called her a liar.

Sorry but that's how I feel.

Hope you get to see your Son Grannygrace, 10yrs is a long time. Have you heard anything about him in that time? If he got married, he may have C. We get no news about ours, makes it very hard, the not knowing.

Grannygrace no I don't think Celebgran is lying, I think she is confused, I went through the process, so I know exactly what happens, whereas C only got as far as the form filling and seems to think from there you jump to the main court hearing for the visitation order, when you have to go to court first, sit in front of a Judge, with the parents of your GC and ask permission to go to the main court hearing for the visitation order. Bye the way, the first hearings that I attended, were in the Judges chambers.

Yogagirl I am not confused please don't start this off again forgive me but you know nothing of our circumstances as granbygrace says you are calking me a liar.
We saw 3 different solicitors over last 9 years and I think we with respect have more knowledge than you
You are bringing up ikd argument please let it go I know its was tragic u were denied leave to apply as they call it but please don't take it out on me.

Thanks grannygrace for your sup
port.. Siryy for loss of your son but glad no little ones involved i remember you touched in it before but believe you have a daughter and grabchikdren? Sorry if am wrong.

Thanks Star lady always sad lose friend let alone such old one still can't believe it's happened wow I was so relieved our son was OK thanks I was sooo stressed. He is in bombproof secure unit but still worry as nuns do

I an sorry we got permission yogagirl and you didn't vyt please dont inplt we are confused or lying.

We are lucky grannygrace that my twin let's me share Hus granjuds who live near us and are adorable.
Sorry we are normally kind and supportive on here so sorry money was involved we fell our s I law instigated things but sadly our daughter must gave agreed

Lucky legs correct no good can come of yogagirl jeep dragging her bad experience up
Try and ficus on positive stuff yogagirl.

Yes you are correct celeb,I in fact have two DD's with two daughters each.Eldest ES has been married for approx 14 years,no children and my youngest son has no children either.My ES has contact with 1 of his sisters sporadically.

As I said, I am not calling you a liar Celebgran and I don't think you are, but how you can say you have more knowledge than me when you didn't go through the process of the courts, as I did. You saw the solicitor twice regarding going to court, the other time was when you were arrested and put in a police cell, anyone in that situation will be offered a free solicitor, it had nothing to do with the courts to see your GC.

I would suggest C if you don't want this discussed then don't bring it up, I didn't, I replied to your comment on the subject, I did try to let it go, but it bugged me so much I had to reply to your comment.

I'm glad your Son is ok Celebgran I did think of him when I was watching the news.

Thank goodness your DS is OK Celebyou must have been worried sick and probably wont relax until he's safely back home again.

Hope your cough is getting better.

It's just awful isn't it, to be CO of an AC's life because of money. I'm so sorry grannygrace.

celebgran I wouldn't want to fight my estDS either.

Still chesty. Darkness of winter should lift soon...

Yogagirl at no time was I held in a police cell?
I refused a visit from the police so had to go to police station where to my shock I was arrested. I was given coffee and certainly not put in police cell are you losing the plot?

We saw 3 different solicitors nothing to do with my arrest.
Sadly our estrangement has gone on so long.

I don't think you even saw one did you?

Please dont keep misquoting me and assuming you know more?
We were advised as I said by 3 different solicitors and I understand you didn't the even instruct one.

I really am Fed up with your inaccurate rude posts now,

I am sorry yogagirl u were t given permission to apply and we were but as said before do not take it out on me! ,

This is a support thread can I remind you?
You are dredging up something you already apologised for but my patience is wearing out now,

Thanks very much Granny grace and starlady for your support.

Yes smilless you can't believe the relief hearing from our son. What a worry I wish he didn't travel so far,

That's good Granny grace that someone is in touch with your es

By way yogagirl quite happy to let you see our solicitors bills as you clearly dont believe me! They ran into thousands, first one overcharged us!
Second one was same one as my daughter used conflict of interest.
Third one we used twice and asked for set price, still went over it.
We used them after law changed in 2012 to make mediation manadatory.
Now do you understand?

Sparklygran agree after spending all that money, when law altered and they sent forms back, (not for being filled in incorrrectly please note yogagirl) it gave us 2nd thoughts and we decided what sort of contact would it be? Even if we were awarded it.
I think the stress wether we won or. It would have tipped us over the edge,

Sorry you still chesty, ?me too, feel bit brighter and relived to be home. Sadly dh got it now so I drove home? Felt so rough with painful cough, sadly other good friends got it too.

Oh granngrace you have 4 children then?
I sometimes wonder if we had another daughter wether it would have been less devastating.
I know life would be very dark without our lovely son, I feel couldn't been too bad a mum. Strangely enough we helped our daughter financially much more than our son, never can tell it was always her in daily touch, now I wonder how sincere that was?
Have to let it go or you can't enjoy what life does still hold and people that still love you.

My son said once a few years ago all I hear about is the daughter you don't see, and I realise is tough for him too.
It is heartbreaking when 3 little ones are involved and he understands that.

Finally yogagirl that comment was in December last year when you're unwere fixated on it and ciriticising other people who had cut parents off,
So why suddenly reserruct it?

You have to accept that everyone's situation is different and not all children to cut a parent off have done it maliciously and vice Versa.

It's wrong to tar everyone with same brush.

It was several years ago you had your awful experience and I think you probably need some form of counselling to come to terms with the bad experience as you are constantly reliving it,