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Will attitudes to mental health change?

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anxiousgran Fri 26-Jan-18 10:55:47

Despite publicity from footballers, celebs and Prince Harry, it's going to take a long time.

People are still afraid of it, are wary of being close to those with mental health issues and regard it as a subject of humour.

I've lost friends due to mental illness, one good friend crossed the road to avoid speaking to DH.

In the last fortnight I've heard the words

'basket case', 'nutter', and 'funny farm';
someone recently called me a 'lune' and I have heard a doctor use the phrase 'head-banger'. These are all people I know and who would never use racist or sexist language.

I never have talked to people about my mental health issues and never have. I certainly won't in the future, not even to my GP.

By the way, I chose the user name anxiousgran as tongue in cheek at the time, but now I think it must colour the attitudes of gransnetters when I use it. Is it possible to change it?

Fennel Sat 27-Jan-18 19:26:03

Grandmama* wrote
"My father worked in a mental hospital so in my childhood I saw mental illness almost daily, some of it was severe."
I also worked in a mental hospîtal (for a short time) back in the '50s, before the days of the more effective drug treatments. Yes, many were severely ill.
Perhaps that's where much of the fear and prejudice comes from.
As Baggs said, because mental illness usually responds to medication, it's now seen as similar to physical illness. There's a problem though that some people stop taking their medication because of the side effects.
We have bipolar in our family too.

Anniebach Sat 27-Jan-18 20:04:01

1966 I witnessed over 100 children killed . Had May first daughter in 1969, second daughter in 1970, had severe post natal depression and was admitted to a mental hospital, twice in the first few months of my second daughters birth we nearly lost her , death not mislaid, I was convinced someone would harm her, I reached a point of asking visitors to wear masks in our house, and developed an eating disorder, hospital. I refuse ECT, after seeing patients so bewildered and confused . I was told my weight loss had to be taken seriously and I would have an injection every morning to encourage an appetite. A lie , it was an old treatment of shock therapy, insulin injections, I had a convulsion . No one talked of post natal depression . . I made a good recovery, my husband was so supportive. 1972 I had a still birth, 1974 another still birth, 1975 my husband was killed in a car crash. Because of the deaths of those children in 1966 I was terrified my daughters would be killed in the school, eating disorder , yes a mental hospital .

Since then I have been very strong, vowed never, ever again would I enter one of those places .

Now I am fearful

Sorry

Bellasnana Sat 27-Jan-18 20:44:56

Anniebach you have had to endure far more than your fair share of horrific events. I’m so, so sorry flowers

GabriellaG Sat 27-Jan-18 23:00:49

I do hope that those phrases (basket case etc) were not said to YOU or your OH or said in your presence. You say that they are people you know but they are obviously unaware that you suffer from some 'issues'. I wonder in what context those phrases were used, I mean, they're not usually heard in ordinary everyday conversation as often as you yourself heard them uttered. As for your GP using the words 'head-banger', that's quite shocking. I can't conceive of any GP in my surgery using that language to any client, whether he knew of their mental health problems or not. It's just not educated language.
Not being familiar with any issues posted by other GNs on this thread, I can't offer solutions but I hope that you find a person or local group you trust and can talk to freely and frankly, instead of keeping it all to yourself.
You might reach out to your friends in the background and suggest meeting for lunch or coffee, a sort of 'catch up'. If you start it now, then you will have become more at ease with each other by the time better weather arrives and you can enjoy getting out more. smile

Veronica72 Sat 27-Jan-18 23:20:11

Anniebach, sending you heartfelt sympathy. You’ve been through so much. We are struggling right now with our DD’s relapse, after a number of years of good health, into paranoid delusions, acute anxiety, depression, anorexia and agoraphobia. It’s agonisingly painful. Sharing with others doesn’t solve the problems but it does help. At least you know you’re not alone. I hope, anxiousgran, that sharing on this forum will encourage you to open up to others. You’ll find many people will be very sympathetic and will often open up about their own experiences. And in time, hopefully, your son will come to have a greater understanding of what you’ve been through. To better times.

Wally Sun 28-Jan-18 10:01:42

Attitudes are changing anxiousgran. I met a dear old friend of mine in a supermarket years ago and we chatted and he seemed absolutely fine, but when I said to him how are you he said to me they want to send me to the funny farm Wally to see what's what. Those were his exact words. Funny farm didn't seem to matter to him and it didn't to me because of the context in which it was said. I'm not sure if he is even alive now but he was a lovely intelligent man that I worked with for many years and I don't know anyone that has derided him.

Wally Sun 28-Jan-18 10:07:13

Anniebach So sorry to hear about your daughter.

Anniebach Sun 28-Jan-18 10:17:09

My post 20.04 was an attempt to show the different reasons why people suffer mental illness . What I experienced would hopefully be treated differently today . I was suffering PTSD. I then experienced post natal depression. Later grief led to a mental illness . The treatment for these was shock treatment, Valium and anti depressants which led to more problems .

Anniebach Sun 28-Jan-18 10:23:25

Thank you Wally x. I have just explained why I spoke of her death. my daughter had bipolar yet it was said to me last December - did she inherit the illness from you !

This is the danger of lumping all mental illnesses under the same umbrella.

Fennel Sun 28-Jan-18 11:42:54

Annie:
"This is the danger of lumping all mental illnesses under the same umbrella."
Because not much was known about the subject until recently, most people have little information. So you can't blame them.
Perhaps what is needed is some kind of public educational programme. To set this up would involve a lot of work. Can the NHS spare the time and money?

Granny23 Sun 28-Jan-18 12:48:41

I post this with some trepidation as what I am going to say runs counter to many other opinions but is 'how I see it' after a lifetime of coping with a DM and MIL with mental health problems and suffering Clinical depression myself.

Firstly, I believe the answer to the question of why folks are OK to talk about and empathise with those with physical illnesses but not those with mental health problems is that if you, yourself are a sufferer or living daily with someone else who has this problem, then you cannot, for the sake of your own sanity, afford to take on board, or become involved with someone else's problems.
Whilst, say amputees or blind people can gain enormous support and companionship from meeting up with people in the same boat, this is not true for those whose mental health is fragile and can be easily tipped over by becoming too concerned/involved with others in the same boat.

I observed this in a self directed support group for women with depression who met fortnightly in our office's meeting room. They used to arrive bright and chirpy, but no matter what the theme or topic for the session - anything from having their nails done, through relaxation exercises, every session degenerated into an exchange of sad stories, almost a competition of 'my experience is worse than yours' until they went their separate ways miserable and depressed. There was also an underlying ethos of 'It is the medication that causes the problems, come off it and you'll feel much better, like your old self.'

When I saw a wonderful Clinical Psychologist, who treated me as a sentient human being rather than a 'patient' he explained many things. He told me that a person with a mental health problem is not the best person or in the best position at that time to judge whether medication is appropriate or not. He deplored the tendency of the media to report scare stories rather than give prominence to the many positive improvements in medication and therapy. He repeated the mantra that I learned as a trainee Counsellor that counselling cannot work if the person cannot, for whatever reason, fully engage with the Counsellor. Therefore, a period on medication to get the patient on an even keel was usually necessary before they could benefit from counselling.

He also made the point that it is easier, in terms of self esteem, to blame the treatment or medication for your woes or failure to improve, than to accept that you have an on-going illness or condition, which many still consider to be shameful or due to weakness or inability to 'pull yourself together'.

Finally, my recent experience of 'living with (DH's) Dementia' which is also a Mental Health illness has highlighted that people have a very different perception of dementia than other mental health problems. Everyone seems to accept that Dementia can affect anyone, including the 'brightest and best' and that it is caused by physical changes in the brain which have nothing to do with the sufferer's character, or life style. I wish there was the same acceptance of the causes of other mental health conditions/illnesses. On the bright side, whereas the progress of Dementia can be slowed it is, currently, incurable, many other Mental Health problems can be successfully alleviated or completely cured by modern medicine.

Marydoll Sun 28-Jan-18 13:53:12

Granny23, an excellent post.
I can empathise with many here. I suffered post natal depression after two of my children. My mother who should have known better, (she was an ex midwifery sister) used to tell me to give myself a shake.

Anniebach Sun 28-Jan-18 14:00:12

Medication which causes hallucinations are better for the patient than no medication granny23 ?

Granny23 Sun 28-Jan-18 14:23:46

Obviously not AB but equally obviously the RIGHT medication for the individual person is infinitely better than none. Sometimes you have to try medication that does not suit in order to arrive at a prescription that does.

Anniebach Sun 28-Jan-18 14:54:21

Yes I agree granny23 but prozac did cause some to take their lives . What concerns me is the power of drug companies , so often a miracle drug has arrived , is prescribed with disasterous results

grannyactivist Sun 28-Jan-18 15:17:29

Granny23 - an excellent post. Thank you.

Baggs Sun 28-Jan-18 15:36:45

Thank you, g23, especially for the expression "physical changes in the brain" because it confirms my feeling that mental health issues are just as physical as other health issues so, in a sense, we shouldn't be categorising them differently.

anxiousgran Sun 28-Jan-18 16:00:15

Sorry I couldn't contribute to this thread yesterday, I couldn't get to the computer.

I'm so glad I posted this to gransnetters; I don't have anyone else to confide in. DH is great, but after all these years he just wants me to be 'positive', and I understand it's hard for families to live with someone else's mental illness.

I've had counselling of different types and it did work in that I can go out to places - gym, yoga class, some community do's. I do have to go alone though, and I think it would be more fun sometimes to have someone else.

I'm taking medication at the moment, and I'm not sure if it's really doing anything. Before I was discharged from my psychiatrist he said variously not to stop medication when thing weren't going well, as you never knew how much worse you'd be without it. Conversely not to stop when you were feeling well either, in case you had a relapse....

Hope I'm expected to take it for ever.

anxiousgran Sun 28-Jan-18 17:29:21

Whoops, didn't edit properly, mean I hope I don't have to take meds for ever.

Overthehills Sun 28-Jan-18 19:12:42

Anxious I hope you feel supported enough on here to come back whenever you need to. We’ve nearly all got some experience of mental illness -my DH suffers from depression as well as the two friends with PS - so I really hope it helps you to feel that you’re not alone.
Good post G23 - some new insights for me.
Oh Annie I can’t tell you how sorry I am for those awful experiences in your past - you have had/are having so much to cope with. flowers flowers flowers for all of you.

Anniebach Sun 28-Jan-18 19:50:17

Thank you overthehills, I listed them to show there are many causes for mental illnesses , apart from post natal depression my illnesses were reactions to life events and also how we have moved forward from the sixties and seventies when we were pumped with Valium, Librium etc , the big mistake with these was the fact they were prescribed for a month, one felt calmer then boom one felt worse, the doctor upped the dose, it was later when the truth about withdrawal side effects were made public but so many were then dependant on them

anxiousgran Sun 28-Jan-18 21:37:31

Have just read over the thread again. It would be good for anyone who would like some insight into mental health issues to read, there's so much in here.

I put the post up just to get out how I am feeling and didn't expect much response. Thanks for all your insight and sharing painful experiences and humour too. It's great support.

Anniebach, thanks for joining in. I am so sorry that one person has had to bear such things.

Lots of you are struggling still, too. flowers

Anniebach Sun 28-Jan-18 22:02:06

anxiousgran, there are several here who are grieving, nursing sick partners, sick children, suffering with anxiety and or depression , lonliness , troubled, you couldn't have opened up to kinder, more caring people . You can relax and open up here x

Starlady Sun 28-Jan-18 23:35:44

My heart goes out to everyone here who is struggling with mental illness or has in the past. And of course, to those who have loved ones who are going/have gone through this or who have lost a loved one due to mental illness. So much sorrow here, but so much beautiful support, too!

Anxiousgran, if I had a health problem I didn't feel I could talk to my doctor about, I would look for a new doctor. Is that possible?

Anyhow, as pps have said, you can certainly open up here. (((Hugs)))

Synonymous Mon 29-Jan-18 06:52:10

Many members of my family take St John's Wort, Vit D and also use Essential Oils to cope with various issues including SAD because of the concern of possible side effects of some drugs. Post stroke I have very much needed this help and now my DH following the dreadful car crash is also benefiting to a degree.. He is suffering from PTSD and is receiving CBT and EMDR Therapy. He is totally floored by the fact that he needs help and I think that this is a part of being brought up to 'get a grip' and other such unhelpful terminology and in addition being in one of the services I think is another factor. I do talk about these issues and on the plus side we have been wonderfully surprised by the love and understanding shown to us by family, friends and acquaintances. Professional help has been amazing and sympathetic.

I do think that the fact that the young royals have opened up about the issues they have faced has been very positive and helpful. It is good that it has made some people think a little more deeply and it matters not whether their problems were triggered by grief or a form of PTSD or any other labelling. These issues affect anyone and everyone and their having money to throw at their problems does not make them easier to bear and will never ensure a 'cure'.