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LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 29-Nov-18 16:28:36

We thought gransnetters might also be interested in this video by our sister site, Mumsnet. They did a survey to mark the 16 Days of Activism Against Gender-Based Violence, run in partnership with Women’s Aid and Surrey Police. 38% of the survey respondents say they have been in a controlling or abusive relationship with a partner – but almost a quarter (24%) of users who said they had been in a controlling or abusive relationship told no-one about any incidents of controlling or abusive behaviour.

Let us know what you think.

FarNorth Sat 01-Dec-18 12:59:05

For those who don't understand the problem, have a look at the link to Mumsnet in the OP.
Taken from it -
Mumsnet Founder Justine Roberts said: “We see so many conversations on Mumsnet in which users make disclosures about their partners’ behaviour. Most of the time, the person being controlled doesn’t realise that their partner’s behaviour is wrong, let alone criminal; they’re often asking for advice about how they can make their partner happier. We’re very proud of the many Mumsnet users who give a name to this behaviour and support those experiencing it.”

oodles Sat 01-Dec-18 13:14:14

Abuse of any sort by any sex on any other sex is wrong, it is also wrong to minimise support for women suffering abuse by saying that men are abused too. Would anyone say that there ought not to be organisations supporting people with cancer because there are also other diseases s that kill people like heart disease. Or that you shouldn't talk about cancer because some people have heart disease
Abuse of another person is wrong, whoever is the abuser.
Someone said nowadays women have jobs, but one manifestation of coercive control is to prevent the woman from working, or to hinder her career development so she can't progress. Some controlling men do not let their partner go out, or if they do go out they are bombarded with phone calls, and have to send pictures of them selves so that they can prove where they are or if they are late home they are accused of having an affair.
The abusers are not abusive at the beginning, it starts as someone has said by seeming caring. If this is appealing because the woman has had difficult relationships the hook works. If like me you are used to people being caring, again It works. An abusive man can turn a strong independent woman into a controlled one over time. Danger points in escalating abuse are when you are pregnant or have a baby and when you leave.
It is wrong to stop a child seeing a kind and loving father. It can be right to stop an abusive father from seeing children, or to ensure that it is in a contact centre as the children have the right not to be abused or worse
I stayed in an abusive marriage for far too long as was afraid of what he'd do, and it was only after the children grew up that I divorced him. It was a hellish time, he found more ways to abuse me through the process. I wish I'd done it earlier. Did you know that growing up in a household where there is abuse counts as child abuse, I didn't
Somewhat along the line I discovered the freedom programme. If you or any loved one are in an abusive relationship, it doesn't have to be violent, seek out a local programme or do it online. I did it several times and each time I got more and more from it, it helped me to see exactly what had been going on. If you are hoping to find a new partner it helps you see the red flags to look out for. I'm not, but if ever I was considering it I would go into it with my eyes open. On it I also met some wonderful strong women, heard some incredibly harrowing stories, some who had had more than one abusive relationship. What was striking was how similar the tactics used are, often women would say that it was like they had a book called how to be an abuser, its something within them though
Why do they do it, well they feel entitled to do what they want, and seek out women in whom they can sense a vulnerability. They need to be in control. Abuse victims have often been in other abusive relationships and it seems normal. Often the abuser will paint previous partners as being crazy bitches, and women feel sorry for them and do not believe it if they are told about the violence as they believe things will be different. That he'll change.
And as for the police believing the woman, when I sought help for bullying and harassing behaviour they did nothing and left me feeling worse than ever. But this was the same force which, when I reported a flasher, told me that I light by have been out alone in the daylight. This was not back in the 1960s but just a few years ago. Actually I wasn't alone but my then husband had gone off leaving me unable to find him

Abuse of anyone is wrong and saying what about the men, men are abused too, is not helpful for anyone. Don't take away from women's services, add services for men. What do such men need that women don't and add those. Interestingly I met abused lesbians, so some women do abuse other women, and am sure some gay men abuse their partners
Abused people need help appropriate to their situation, there is more help available for women because many more women are victims

GabriellaG Sat 01-Dec-18 13:20:05

Saggi
I've no words for what you've endured and the continuing abuse sad
The thought of you walking the streets to keep your (and his) children out of his way is utterly heartbreaking. I'm so sorry that there are men out there who place no value on the woman they promised to love and care for.
I'll think of you tomorrow and hope that you, your children and GC share a memorable birthday celebration.
Wishing you a happier future. ??flowers

FarNorth Sat 01-Dec-18 13:31:51

coercive control became a criminal offence in 2015

I didn't know that.

Iam64 Sat 01-Dec-18 13:56:35

oodles, thanks for your post which I found very moving. Thanks also for mentioning the Freedom Project. It was particularly helpful that you said you've done it more than once, done it on line and found something new each time. The last time I looked at the research is a few years ago, it showed that abused women leave on average over 20 times before they are finally able to make the break.
It isn't unheard of for women to leave their children with the abuser because they're terrified by this threats to track her down and kill her , if she ever takes 'his" children away.

The evidence speaks for itself in the number of women murdered by partners/ex partners. The biggest risk to them is when they say they're leaving.

No one has disputed that women can behave abusively. What's interesting is the number of posters who when a thread is started to discuss coercive control, as a forms of domestic abuse, immediately start a pity party for men, rather than discuss this real issue as it affects women. Start another discussion on abusive women if you feel so strongly about it.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 01-Dec-18 16:54:28

Sorry to say I know of 3 men who were abused, one was many years ago and lately a close friend and m own son. My son found it extremely, extremely hard to get help. After a very long struggle and in once case was in hospital he has his life back. The other person was the husband of my best friend and he wasn't even allowed to have his own bank account. You always hear of the women who are aabused but where are the safe houses for men. In this area there are none whatsoever or help. Abusive behaviour is not acceptable for either sex but please lets have more acceptance and help for the men who find themselves in an abusive relationship.

maryeliza54 Sat 01-Dec-18 16:59:17

No one is denying that men can be abused. There is a national helpline for men but as for safe houses the cuts implemented by this government are forcing the closure of refuges up and down the land.

maryeliza54 Sat 01-Dec-18 17:00:22

And also do you know how wines refuges were set up? By women fighting for them - perhaps men should be doing the same

maryeliza54 Sat 01-Dec-18 17:00:57

Wines=women damn autocorrect

Jalima1108 Sat 01-Dec-18 18:04:31

Saggi your story is very sad.
You sound as if you have lovely DC and DGC - why are you still with that man? Can they help you if you decide to leave.

I hope you have a lovely birthday meal with your family

Jalima1108 Sat 01-Dec-18 18:12:13

Lara sorry to use this thread, but it seemed an appropriate place;
can I just suggest to posters that your local Women's Refuge would welcome some donations particularly at this time of year. Nice toiletries are always appreciated by the woman and, of course, there will be children who would love to receive a gift or even just some Christmas chocolates or sweets. Some Christmassy food items would be welcome too.

Jalima1108 Sat 01-Dec-18 18:12:37

women, not woman.

Sleepygran Sat 01-Dec-18 18:37:56

IT seems to me to be another name for control freaks.
Sadly My father was one of these,as well as physically abusing my mum. She learnt the signs and it then was just the coercive control. He was a charming man outside the home and when visitors came,but God help you if you did something he didn't like when they were there.Youd get it once they'd gone.
Everyone thought my parents were devoted to each other in later life as my mum was very rarely allowed out alone even with me. She was always worried in case we were late back,he'd accuse her of seeing someone,even when she was in her 70s.
Also my Mil said many years after her husband died, I'll never have another man bullying me.So very sad.
And many women are still living in coercive relationships today.

FarNorth Sat 01-Dec-18 20:22:34

where are the safe houses for men

No-one kindly provided refuges for women. They were originally started by women themselves.
Only once a real need was shown, were any of officialdom interested.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 01-Dec-18 20:39:11

Its all so sad really that people have to fight for any help it should be available whatever your sex or age. In our case my son was given a phone number by the police to ring for help and support which he did but was told they had no one to help him as it was only women they supported Men are just don't come forward as its not perceived to be a manly thing to be abused by a woman.

oodles Sat 01-Dec-18 21:09:24

Iam64, I just go on about violent women to get the men pity party as little as possible to think about in my post, and maybe give something to think about. One thing that years of being shouted down, and having innocent things I said used against me is that at times I try and make what I say pretty complete so as to avoid misinterpretation. You can't win, if you say things you are wrong if you say nothing you are wrong.
More awareness of coercive control must benefit abused men as well.
How I wish I'd got out before the children were on the scene, but there was not the understanding of abuse there is now, there was much more sexism, a friend had to get her husband's permission to go on birth control. Also while it was no longer a taboo, divorce was not as acceptable as it is nowadays. Look how Prince Charles wasn't allowed to marry Camilla. Marital rape was not recognised as a crime, sexual harassment at work was acceptable, equal pay for women had only just come in, it was better than in the days when some employers wouldn't keep a woman on if she married. An aunt had to pretend not to be married to keep her job. The system worked against us.
My retirement date and pension has been pushed back 6 years so I still have some time to go before I can enjoy that but it feels great to be out of him. Still have lots of aftereffects but life is tons better even with those

Nonnie Sun 02-Dec-18 10:31:19

Jalima how do you donate to a woman's refuge? I think it is hard to find out where they are, is there a website? I thought they were kept secret so the abusers couldn't find them. I have toys and toiletries I could donate.

Why should we start another thread about men being abused? This thread is not only about women surely? We all know that woman are abused, the media gives it good coverage and it is sometimes in TV and radio drama but where is the coverage of women abusing men? You can't rely on any statistics as it is recognised that men are much less likely to report it than women.

Women so often call the shots, they can use the children as blackmail and some do. We have lots of cases on here of women who cut their partners family out of their lives and the poor man has to make a choice between his children and his family. We don't see many of the men making the women choose.

Please don't shoot down those of us who have experience of female coercive control each case is terrible whether man on woman or woman on man. It is not a competition.

FarNorth Sun 02-Dec-18 10:35:47

Nonnie you can donate here :

www.womensaid.org.uk

Nonnie Sun 02-Dec-18 10:48:28

Thanks FarNorth but I was thinking of giving toiletries and toys rather than cash. Any ideas?

maryeliza54 Sun 02-Dec-18 11:09:07

The link takes you to the home page, at the top click on the Get Involved tab then a menu comes down one of which is donate goods click on that and follow

Nonnie Sun 02-Dec-18 11:22:50

Thanks

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Dec-18 12:36:15

Jalima how do you donate to a woman's refuge?
Ah, good question Nonnie
I know someone who co-ordinates it; she collects donations then takes them to a local Women's Aid centre where the people there distribute it all.

If you google Women's Aid for your area you should find a phone number where a support worker should be able to advise you.

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Dec-18 12:37:18

sorry, I answered before I saw FarNorth's link

mcem Sun 02-Dec-18 18:22:40

Have followed the link and found the local office, along with an email address.
Hoping for some advice on suitable little gifts which I could take to the office.
Thanks for that link.

mcem Tue 04-Dec-18 07:26:50

Had a friendly email from local office suggesting that they actually have lots of toiletries but would really appreciate some little gifts so that the children can give something to their mums. I've put aside a couple of 'spare' boxes of chocs and will pick up some bits and pieces today. I'll include wrapping paper and sellotape.
They also need gifts for teenagers.
I really appreciate having this link as it's provided a way to help with a horrific problem and I can't help feeling that, without good family backup, my own daughter could have been in this position.
Have invited a few close friends to join me and we know where to deliver our collection.
Thank you FarNorth.