Smacking children

Agree HolySox. The Bible is clear on these things. Does make it easier for us.

One of the dinner ladies at my primary school made me eat date sponge pudding. I spent the rest of the lunch break wretching. I can still see her now in my mind.

DiscoDancer why have you taken part of my sentence and used it out of context?

The full sentence reads:

I have read every comment and I haven't figured out where the line is

I cannot figure out where others place the line between smacking and abuse from reading the comments

I personally feel smacking is wrong, and my line is very clear.

VioletSky

DiscoDancer why have you taken part of my sentence and used it out of context?

The full sentence reads:

I have read every comment and I haven't figured out where the line is

I cannot figure out where others place the line between smacking and abuse from reading the comments

I personally feel smacking is wrong, and my line is very clear.

Sorry...I didn’t did think it changed the meaning. Just me being lazy!

Now I’m making more mistakes ?. I didn’t think it changed the meaning.

OK, Thank you

VioletSky "where the line is ". The Bible quote says "love their child" and "careful to discipline" so a balance. The opposite of not disciplining at all is neglect. Children need boundaries. It makes them feel secure, know they're loved. When I was very naughty as a child I would get a smack. Not a beating, a smack. Momentarily unpleasant but I was in no doubt mum was in charge and she was looking after me. Not a problem. But a child being beaten by a parent who is simply taking their frustrations out is abuse.

That doesn't explain the line

Sorry I am not a Christian so I can't get on board with teachings like "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them." because almost everyone would agree that hitting a child with an implement is wrong these days.

I don't need smacking to teach my children right from wrong.

Why on earth would anyone base childcare on a collection of fairy tales called the "bible"Life has moved on in 2000 years ,living by standards from then is insanity .Howfar would you take this "discipline"? An EYE FOR AN EYE?
Hitting a child any child is wrong wrapping it up in religion is just as bad

Well the bible also sold off children into marriage so do people pick and choose to suit them or you following it all as it should be? Because there is a lot of fun quotes that would make a lot recoil that can easily be found.

NSPCC Spokesperson There should be no justification for assaulting a child and the Government urgently needs to change the Law so children in England have the same protection as those in other parts of the UK
Also this The international evidence could not be any clearer - physical punishment has the potential to damage children and carried the risk of escalation into physical abuse. Professor Sir Michael Marmot UCL.

Farzanah

NSPCC Spokesperson There should be no justification for assaulting a child and the Government urgently needs to change the Law so children in England have the same protection as those in other parts of the UK
Also this The international evidence could not be any clearer - physical punishment has the potential to damage children and carried the risk of escalation into physical abuse. Professor Sir Michael Marmot UCL.

The key element here is 'assault.' Most parents of my generation smacked their children. It was a far cry from assault and in the vast majority of cases, never risked degenerating into 'physical abuse.'
To be honest, I think today's generation of 'gentle hands, darling' after their child has taken a swat at another youngster or kicked at mum because she hasn't complied immediately to his wishes should wait until they have successfully brought up their own children before wading in with their 'all people who smacked their children are monsters.'

So if you did something I didn't like and I hit you what work would you call that?

Hitting is assault. It may have been accepted before but that doesn't make it right. And it doesn't mean that adults are not affected by what happened to them as children. Even if it was not a beating or an object was used.

As the other thread shows it doesn't matter what the parent thinks. It matters how the children perceive it.

I agree bibbity

Yes as an adult, all hitting other adults is assault so applying that to hitting a child is only logical.

I have 2 adult children if that somehow lends me some credibility

Bibbity

So if you did something I didn't like and I hit you what work would you call that?

Hitting is assault. It may have been accepted before but that doesn't make it right. And it doesn't mean that adults are not affected by what happened to them as children. Even if it was not a beating or an object was used.

As the other thread shows it doesn't matter what the parent thinks. It matters how the children perceive it.

That's a ridiculous proposition and shallow, completely illogical reasoning. Adults are not children. We do lots of things to children that we don't do to adults. We don't send our work colleagues to sit on a step,or remove their internet connection, or a myriad of other things that are done to children.
As for 'it's how children perceive it,' my own children (now successful, resilient adults with families of their own), probably managed to 'perceive' that I was cross and that they'd better not do it again.

Antonia

Yes we do.

In the workplace infractions can result in sitting quietly while your supervisor or HR manager explains the rules, repeated infractions means you lose your job and quite possibly your Internet and access to things you enjoy

Or we have the law.

If adults break it they are forced to sit quietly in court and listen as the rules are explainex to them. For small crimes they might lose some of their money, for large crimes they are put in a room with no access to Internet or the things they enjoy.

We have moved past physical punishment for children or adults.

#And it doesn't mean that adults are not affected by what happened to them as children. #

So now we have mostly non smacked Adults, bringing
up their children, and we assume they are well
balanced, without any psycological damage and all is well,
interesting............

halfpint

We never assume all is well, that's why all adults working with children are trained in safeguarding, how to spot signs of abuse, how to report it and how to share that data with other organisations.

Children still slip through the cracks which is, I don't even have the words... Just horrifying

But nothing is assumed

VioletSky

Antonia

Yes we do.

In the workplace infractions can result in sitting quietly while your supervisor or HR manager explains the rules, repeated infractions means you lose your job and quite possibly your Internet and access to things you enjoy

Or we have the law.

If adults break it they are forced to sit quietly in court and listen as the rules are explainex to them. For small crimes they might lose some of their money, for large crimes they are put in a room with no access to Internet or the things they enjoy.

We have moved past physical punishment for children or adults.

I have yet to hear of any repeated workplace infractions resulting in loss of internet access.
Prisoners do actually have internet access. And maybe if they'd been brought up in stable, loving homes with an occasional smacking, they wouldn't be prisoners in the first place.
Your previous comments, particularly those where you appear to rely on biblical sayings as a basis for your somewhat skewed idealogy, makes it clear that we will never agree on this, so you carry on...

Ideology, sorry.

Violet Sky , of course I realise that child abuse still goes on,
that abuse is not what I am referring to and such replies are a little insulting . Everyday family discipline has changed , the
long term results are yet to be seen or are being seen.

Antonia I don't think you understand, no job means no money for luxuries

Prisoners may have some limited access but they certainly aren't allowed to browse as they wish.

I'm sorry but your arguments have no weight which is why I suppose you resorted to being insulting.

It's strange that you would call me skewed for simply agreeing with modern day consesus that smacking is wrong and we shouldn't be doing it and that religion in modern times is not a justification. My Christian friends do not smack either

Oh sorry halfpint I thought I was agreeing with you... If I wasn't I'm not sure what you mean

Agree with you Antonia.

Violet, if you want to quote the bible, spare the rod and spoil the child, not something I agree with but there it is. Everyone has heard that, you can contradict so much in the bible, but this isn’t about religionThis is modern day uk. I did not smack or was smacked. However, why are you talking child abuse? No one condones abuse on here, or they wouldn't be on here. I think a lot of very young children are tapped on the hand to stop them doing something dangerous. I feel you have to be very careful of every word you utter for fear of it being picked at and assumptions made.