Actually in terms of childrens welfare a man with four wives would be much safer than a wife with four husbands. I hadn't thought of that until I was reading up about the media coverage which involved a women and four men.
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Sister Wives - could you?
(120 Posts)I've just discovered 'Sister Wives' on Discovery+, and am hooked
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It's about a polygamous family of Mormons in Utah, and I definitely had preconceptions before I watched it. I'm not sure what I expected, but the reality is that the women are 'normal', whatever that means. They share a building (a massive house), but each woman and her children live in her own separate part of it, with the husband the only one without his own space - he 'shares himself' between the wives. I'm only on series one (there are lots of them!) and so far there are four wives.
They are not jealous of one another, and when a new wife comes along they all have a say in who she is and can veto her. Wives have suggested other women as potential sister wives.
All the women (up to now in the series) have been brought up in the Mormon faith, and I think they were all in polygamous families. They don't seem overtly religious, in the sense of having family prayer meetings and the things that some 'fringe' American religious families do. Each woman brings up her own children, but the other wives are on hand to babysit and step in when necessary. The husband probably has the last word, but not obviously so - there are a lot of meetings where things are discussed and the wives all have a say in big collective decisions.
At least some of the women work - the programme hasn't yet gone into the financial side of things. I don't know if the family money is pooled, or whether they each keep what they earn - I don't know what the husband does for a living to afford the massive house and something like 19 children between the wives. They wear normal clothes, unlike the Latter Day Saints lot or the Amish, and you wouldn't spot them if they were next to you in Sainsbury's. Their lifestyle is illegal, so there is a threat of the husband being imprisoned and they have to deny the polygamy to the 'outside world'.
There is strictly no sex outside of marriage for the wives, yet they seem very accepting of their husband's relationship with the other wives (he doesn't stray outside of the family), which I suppose is the first thing that springs to mind as it is so different from what most of us are probably used to.
The women do seem like sisters, and on the face of it seem happy enough. They acknowledge that life is not always wonderful, but is it ever. They have one another on hand, and both share a lot yet have their own possessions and homes.
Could you do it? I don't know - it's very alien, and I'm pretty much certain that I would have hated it when I was younger. Now, the idea of effectively living in a commune, with people of different generations yet having my own space doesn't seem so bad. This lot are probably in their 30s - of childbearing age, anyway. They never seem to make these programmes about older families.
This has made me remember The King and I where Yul Brunner sings 'Song of the King'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivBPb4FODF8
It starts with the very profound statement
'A woman is a female who is human....'
So far so good. Keir Starmer take note.
Then we come to:
A girl must be like a blossom
With honey for just one man. 🌺
A man must live like a honeybee
And gather all he can. 🐝
To fly from blossom to blossom
A honeybee must be free.
But blossom must not ever fly
From bee to bee to bee.
Anyone remember that?
Wouldn’t want to watch it. Think the women must be very insecure and have no self worth. Who in their right minds would do that. A man with his Harem. I would rather scrub floors and keep my pride than share someone, he wouldn’t be the sort of man I would be interested in anyway. I am an equal.A lot of religions seem to have little respect for women. They either want them subservient or totally reliant on them, or covered from top to toe so no one can see them. I would like to see tge situations reversed for a week they couldn't take it.
I think it's impossible to know unless you have watched it though. At this stage (and I do realise it is going to end in tears) they are happy enough, and there are no more niggles than in most marriages. The women are far from insecure, subservient or totally reliant on him - rather the reverse, really.
The smiling is annoying me now. We have just been introduced to another polygamous family and they are just the same. It's creepy.
I still can't work out what Kody does for a living. Does he go to work, or is he living off the wives, or just making money from the TV show? Does Robyn have a job? None of this is very clear, unless I haven't been paying attention when it was discussed.
No intelligent educated woan would be happy to be one of many, they are indoctrinated from birth to,acceot it's normal and acceptable. I would put money on the complete breakdown of the set up when they actually live it. Why does a man have to father so many children, it's sick. The wife's should all go on holiday for a month and leave him with the whole tribe, he might go off the idea himself then
I would be inclined to put a very strong laxative in his meals.
But they are intelligent educated women - that's what's so hard to understand. They are doing this voluntarily.
It's hard for me to remain objective, as I now know that it all breaks down in the end, but even so, I don't know whether that's because of the unsustainability of polygamy in a modern world, or because Kody is a wrong 'un. Plenty of marriages break up, and we don't jump to thinking that it's the fault of marriage itself, we assume it's the people involved who don't get on, or whatever.
It seems to me so far that Meri and Jonelle both have successful careers (I'm not sure what they do), Christine has a baby but is training to be an estate agent with a view to working soon, but Robyn is freeloading. I'm not sure about Kody, or how so many people are living in lovely houses on what seem to be two salaries. They seem to be always looking at business ideas that never seem to take off - the latest one is a Sister Wives clothing range. The current episode has the older children meeting a FLDS group of a similar age and comparing the two cultures. There is a lot of head shaking from the adults at the thought that they are compared to that, and whilst I don't buy their surprise, it is clear that the two things are very different.
I think Janelle is an estate agent. Meri sells clothes through a sort of pyramid scheme - Lulabelle or some such. I think they now get paid less by the production company, but they used to be paid huge amounts for the filming.
Thanks, that ties in with what I thought. Does Kody go to work?
It’s never clear what, if any, work Kody does.
Riiiight
. A nice life if you can get it.
For some reason I can't play series 4 on Discovery +. I can see it - all the episodes are there - but there is no 'play' button. I've had to skip it and go to S5. Meri has decided to go back to college, they are in the cul de sac homes, Jonelle has lost weight and had her hair curled - she looks good. Robyn is stressed because Meri is going to college, but I don't know why. They are talking about selling the Utah house - how on earth did they get the money for the new ones (plus all the rent on the previous set-up) without selling the old one.
Kody is getting more irritating. Meri is so patient with him, but he passes the blame for everything onto someone else. Currently he is having a strop because the contractors (whoever they are) haven't given him scale drawings of the Utah house when he hasn't paid them or even hired them yet.
I keep saying to myself that regardless of the personalities, it is the concept of polygamy that is interesting. It's difficult, as it's impossible to watch something like this without getting involved in the 'plot' and thinking about the rights and wrongs, yet I know that if someone filmed any marriage in such detail there would be splinters and cracks.
I think Kody is a bit of a twit actually, but it's their lifestyle choice. Personally would not agree to it as you'd never get the best of your husband. It's hard enough as it is to get the best of someone...I do think it's a very interesting program though!
I’m finding this series so interesting. I am on Series 2 so have a lot more to get through.
I think it is their choice of lifestyle and if it works for them, that is fine. Certainly would not be for me. They are very open about most things except how they finance all their homes etc. Very unclear what jobs they do, possibly their employers do not want to be named or be filmed in any way. Interesting that each subsequent wife appears to have been a ‘younger model’. Nothing changes there then! 
I doubt that there would be scope for many places of work to have a camera crew and lighting technicians all over the place
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I'm not honestly sure which series I'm on now, as it just plays in the background, and I listen properly when something interesting happens or I need a distraction from work, but things are still relatively happy, although not quite so smiley as at the start.
I know from various sources that there is a long way to go though. I suspect that where I'm at might be the beginning of the end - Kody is in the process of adopting Robyn's children, and hasn't had his silly perm yet.
Interestingly, Facebook knows I am watching it. I keep getting reels with clips, which is disconcerting. I am going to dig about in the settings to stop if from doing that, but meanwhile, I am even more aware of the future trajectory than before.
At around that point in time, Robyn is an artist and designed a clothing and jewelry range. I've forgotten the name of the website, but it ceased trading a while ago. I watched the series a while ago but I don't know what they are all doing now.
I've got a feeling that Robyn is the only wife that stayed with Kody in the end. News in September 23 said that Janelle moved out. Meri had already moved out in January and Christine already terminated her relationship with him in 2021. I'm not even sure if they're still making the show or just running repeats of what's already happened? It probably couldn't be called Sister Wives if there's only Robyn left.
Yes, he and Christine “divorced”, and she is now married,monogamously, to someone else. Meri seemed to cling on to the bitter end (Kody had eroded her confidence?). Kody and Janelle separated. Only he and Robyn together with Robyn’s children from her first marriage and their two.
mysisterwifescloset.com/ (Closed now, I believe)
Oh yes, My Sister Wife's Closet - that was it. I guess Robyn wasn't popular enough for people to buy her stuff, which must have been disappointing for her. Still, at least she tried. Better to try and fail that never try.
Kody is just not attractive to me and the women seem so depressed from being with him.
Yes, Robyn is trying to make a success of a jewellery business. Why 'polygamous' jewellery is likely to appeal to a mass market is beyond me, but she likes to get her own way. Kody wants to be the CEO, but it is plain that he has no business experience or sense whatsoever. Janelle does, yet she keeps deferring to him, which bodes ill. Robyn has no money, in fact she came to the marriage in debt, so the other wives subsidised her to buy her (massive) house and start her business. Knowing that she will stab them all in the back makes that scream injustice.
I am skipping episodes as many of them seem to be complications of clips from past episodes, but Meri has been taken in by a man online, and is lonely now that her daughter has gone to college and she has an empty nest. Robyn has another baby (so two to Kody and the three she brought with her). They still operate as a sort of unit, but clearly being in separate houses has changed the dynamic. I feel for Meri, as she clearly adores Kody. She has divorced him so that he can become Robyn's legal husband and adopt her children, which was extremely selfless of her.
Yes it was always unfair how much advantage was given to Robyn.
Good for the others. Yes, poor Meri. Kody should never have replaced her. It was the beginning of the end for him, karmic. I hope Meri will find happiness.
Up until recently, kody sold guns, at gun shows
I just couldn't do it - as I'm very possessive and jealous. In a relationship, I expect to be adored, respected - worshipped in fact. That's not too much to ask, surely? Failing that, I'm happy on my own.
One new relationship I had ended abruptly - when I discovered he had another girlfriend. I said I couldn't ever be close to him again - as he was now 'contaminated' by her, I didn't feel the same.
He thought that was illogical - as we'd both recently ended other 'contaminating' partnerships. Still, emotions have never been logical - and I felt very betrayed, deceived and grubby. I couldn't be angry with her, as she knew nothing about me - but I was hopping mad with him - only just short of murderous.
I can understand that, Hetty. I don't think I could get over a betrayal like that either. The difference is that the people involved don't feel the same. It's not a betrayal, as they are fully aware of the other wives, and even introduced the incoming ones to the husband, plus plural marriage is their 'normal'. I can't imagine that myself, and in some ways the cultures that have the first wife as an authority figure and the subsequent ones in strict rank order seem more in line with human nature than this arrangement.
Having said that, it's surprising what people will accept if they are brought up to see it as normal.
In many ways, it is never going to be possible to get a glimpse into a 'typical' arrangement like this. As is becoming clear, Kody has narcissistic tendencies, and the wives (with the probably exception of Meri) are extrovert enough to be comfortable with having cameras intruding on their personal lives. That's not for everyone, so a huge swathe of their population are ruled out before the start. No one family can be representative of a culture, so it is already impossible to make judgements on the basis of the series, however many episodes there are, and given the particular nature of the family dynamics it is even more difficult to draw conclusions.
It's still fascinating though 
I couldnt do it with anyone and definitely not with Kody. Is it me or is that man not the most petulant and annoying man child? 
Oh he's dreadful
. That's the problem - it's so hard to be open minded about the 'system' when the only husband is such a pillock.
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