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Hurtful things about me that I never knew!

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Nannimo Mon 03-Feb-25 10:22:58

I hope I can get some good advice before this gets blown up out of proportion.
I'm 70+ and I work PT for my daughter - in a job that I don't find easy to do at all. Its sales and I am nota Sales type of person - I only ended up working for her because of staffing problems and as an administrator I thought I was helping out.

I was in the office today -GENUINELY looking for a file that I needed, and came across handwritten sheet on A4, full of unkind things she had said about me. She did sound angry anyway - although it was written thoughts ! What she said was

basically Job wise I was an incompetent old woman - dragging her down. I needed to be good at my job
On a personal level - I was a miserable old cow - who had had her life and she hadn't. She was going to "spend her money as she liked and travel wherever she wanted without looking for my approval ". ( As her mum I had expressed my own concern for her madcap travel plans in terms of her safety as a single woman in remote places - and when her business has been struggling financially - I did question some of her business spending ? as my original role in the business was to run her accounts )
I help out at her house sometimes because she is busy - so I do a few little jobs when I can ( only washing up / changing cat litter trays and hoovering up if I think it looks really messy) I do not go un invited - sometimes she askes me to WFH at her house - or I do these little jobs whilst waiting for her on line shop to arrive etc.

If I withdraw without saying anything at all - she will pick this up as giving her the cold shoulder and I will have to give a reason. ( and I am human - so I'll be thinking of what's in the note for quite a while I think )
Should I confront her with this note and ask for an explanation ?? Bit confused about my role in all this - it seems alot of people in my family take me for granted - but this has come as a shock to actually read hat someone really thinks.
What do you think ?

Barleyfields Mon 03-Feb-25 10:30:24

I would be inclined to say that if that’s what she really thinks of me, she should find someone else to do my job, and give her a month’s notice. It’s nice to feel we are being helpful, but usually that meets with some appreciation, not a list of our perceived faults and shortcomings.

MissAdventure Mon 03-Feb-25 10:32:53

You don't have to give any reason, quite simply because you are your own person, despite the fact that she has taken advantage of you.

If you want to give a reason, tell her you feel incompetent, and that you're dragging her down.

Calendargirl Mon 03-Feb-25 10:32:55

It sounds like the note was written to offload all her negative feelings about you, but never meant to be read by you or sent to you.

But you have seen it, read it and are hurt by it.

Do you think some of what she says is true? Do other family members feel the same?

Perhaps you are too involved in her life, you don’t say how old she is.

Maybe it’s time to step back, let her get on with her life, and make her own mistakes, both business and personal.

eazybee Mon 03-Feb-25 10:36:31

I think you should leave, sooner rather than later, simply saying the job has become too much for you at your age and it is not your area of expertise.
Make no mention of having seen the notes referring to you, never, ever refer to them and leave on as pleasant terms as possible.
Don't be quite so available to help out at home, and don't do any jobs unless actually specified. Take a magazine to read instead.
Don't offer any advice, just smilingly agree with her plans and let her discover for herself how to sort out her financial affairs.

RosieandherMaw Mon 03-Feb-25 10:37:45

Keep your cool, but as Barley says clearly you are the wrong person in the wrong place. If she had written this about any other employee and left it where it could be read, I would think she could have been liable for an action for constructive dismissal, so she is getting off lightly. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt but I find her comments contemptible in themselves.
Nicely but firmly give notice, and FGS STOP doing her housework or other jobs round the house for her! Take a holiday, go way for a few days, be UNAVAILABLE.
Perhaps you have overstepped a line as Mum - we need to keep it zipped - and however kindly meant our opinions are best kept to ourselves or some neutral “listening post”.

luluaugust Mon 03-Feb-25 10:43:12

If you don’t want to mention the note just say that at 70 plus you feel the time has come to step back, give a months notice and stick to it. Of course if she protests in any way you could have a little fun and say you don’t feel as competent as you once were. I do appreciate how very hurtful this must have been and you have obviously helped her a lot but you should think of yourself now

Redhead56 Mon 03-Feb-25 10:46:47

I would tell her direct you are giving notice because of your age. That from now on you are going to live your life to suit yourself.
I would also let her see that you had read the remarks she wrote down. I would put it in a prominent position she could not miss.
Don’t give her the opportunity to discuss it further she is using you don’t let it continue.

MissAdventure Mon 03-Feb-25 10:52:17

For the sake of preserving the relationship, its probably better not to let on that you've seen what was written.

If it were to come out, it would only distress you more than you already are, I'd imagine. thanks

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 03-Feb-25 10:54:06

Bit harsh Redhead56? There may be grandchildren and the OP would still like to be made welcome to see the whole family. Cutting off your nose comes to mind. I agree with Maw on this - just say it’s time to retire, have some extra ‘me’ time with friends, perhaps a holiday or two and be less available.

Elowen33 Mon 03-Feb-25 10:58:26

I would be honest and say that you have seen the note and feel it is time to stop working for her hoping that having a non working relationship feelings will change.

If the note was somewhere she knew you would see it maybe she wanted you to know how she felt.

Smileless2012 Mon 03-Feb-25 11:00:59

I agree with Barleyfields, that you should say that knowing what she really thinks of you, you're handing in your notice.

I wouldn't ask for an explanation or offer an explanation for why you've expressed concerns about her choice of holiday destinations and any concern you had about how she was managing or not, her business finances.

I wouldn't simply stop being available to help her out at home but tell her that you'll no longer be doing so.

Why on earth would she write these thoughts down and leave them in the office where you have access and could come across it, which you have done?

What has happened to family relationships where well meaning parents need to keep it zipped and keep even kindly meant opinions .... to ourselves.

Thank goodness we don't have to be this way with our DS.

Delila Mon 03-Feb-25 11:02:23

Poor you Nannimo, how unfortunate that you stumbled upon something so critical of you, probably written in the heat of a particular moment & not a reflection of your daughter’s true feelings about you.

I was thinking that children sometimes grow up experiencing the fun side of their fathers, but the more serious, anxious side of their mothers. Although as adults we can rationalise this, still the feeling lingers, and although we may rely (too heavily?) on our mothers, the relationship can be strained.

I agree with others - don’t refer to what you read, but give your daughter notice to leave your job, and hold back on the household help you’re giving her. Try to stay friends.

Smileless2012 Mon 03-Feb-25 11:05:55

hmm I wonder if the advice given on GN to a D who was working for her mother and had come across something like this would be to say nothing 'for the sake of preserving the relationship'; I don't think so but then again, there would never be the fear of the D being unable to see her GC would there.

Redhead56 Mon 03-Feb-25 11:06:32

My comments were not meant to be hurtful or harsh I was only referring to the work situation not personal life.
I worked with my DH on our family business I do understand it can be tricky involving the two.

eazybee Mon 03-Feb-25 11:24:04

I don't agree that the advice to' soft-pedal the leaving' is given merely to prevent estrangement from possible grandchildren. It is a sensible, grown up way to handle an unpleasant situation within a family relationship, where mother and daughter will remain connected for the rest of their lives.

pascal30 Mon 03-Feb-25 11:26:50

I think it is highly likely that she wanted you to see it.. but I would pre-empt a confrontation by leaving the job.. You both know where you stand... You should create an interesting social life for yourself and hold your head high..

Shelflife Mon 03-Feb-25 11:55:48

In your shoes I think I would hand my notice in , tell her it is too much for you . I wouldn't mention the notes you have seen - will produce cause you even more stress!! , live your life and don't be quite so available when she needs help at home.

J52 Mon 03-Feb-25 12:03:07

I would also leave the job and stop doing the housework. You don’t have to say it’s too much for you, why should you put the reason on yourself? Just say you want to peruse other activities.
There needn’t be a big fall out as long term that would be productive.

winterwhite Mon 03-Feb-25 12:17:19

Agree with those who suggest leaving the job with a month's notice, saying that sales has never been up your street. You don't say whether she pays you and whether this would affect you financially.
Also maybe stop going to her house so often and perhaps ask her to do small jobs for you from time to time!
I wouldn't say you'd seen the notes.

Nannimo Mon 03-Feb-25 12:46:33

Thank you so much for all your comments - they are as diverse as my thoughts. Rationalising it all though - I have seen the note and read it - I agree that it was probably written in a fit of anger and is not a true reflection of her feelings - but I cant help feeling the language used is nasty ? That is hurting me

Moody old cow - dragging her down - dimming her light - limiting her life experiences in case I don't approve ?
Meddling Mother might have summed me up - in a kinder way .

I tried thinking of what I would say about her - if I was angry - but it does not come close to these words she used above. I agree its a common technique in therapy to write difficult stuff down - so some of me thinks that maybe its time to bow out and as several of you have said - let her make her own mistakes (she is 35,single and lives on her own ). I am a GM - but thankfully its my son that has a lovely 2 yr old - so that is not an issue at all.

So I'll hold fire on letting her know I know and take a step back from always being available at the end of the phone when needed. As a start !
Lets hope I can keep it up - and not blurt it out when she asks why ?

RosieandherMaw Mon 03-Feb-25 12:49:44

What has happened to family relationships where well meaning parents need to keep it zipped and keep even kindly meant opinions .... to ourselves
Those were my remarks and I stand by them. I also practise them and have never experienced the estrangement issues which many other GNs seem to bewail.
“Mum” is not always right and there are many times when keeping our opinions to ourselves is the tactful and respectful way forwards.
Anybody who thinks otherwise need hardly be surprised by family fall outs and estrangement - which I had never even HEARD of before Gransnet.
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keepingquiet Mon 03-Feb-25 12:55:53

This is a tricky one but on balance I think you shouldn't 'confont' her about the note.

The issue of your working for her is a different one. Do you feel you are still getting somehing out of it for yourself?

If not then tell her you wish to hand in your notice and see how she reacts. Just like you would with any employer.

As for the other tasks then that is entirely up to you. It sounds like your DD is a very busy woman and perhaps is needing more help and support in her life, too.

I would carry on a day to day mum and daughter relationship though. Working with family is difficult but helping out with household tasks not so much so... she does sound lucky to have you, though!

Oreo Mon 03-Feb-25 13:01:12

The old maxim ‘never put it in writing’ applies here doesn’t it?
It’s like reading someone’s diary, just don’t do it.I once read a book where a young woman’s mother dies and she is so upset as they loved each other and were so close they went everywhere together, anyway she found a diary and letters her mother wrote saying how clingy her DD was and if only she’d stop wanting to be velcro’d to her side and get a life, amongst other upsetting things.
To the OP, leave this paper where you found it and resign from the job, the cleaning up and do other things!

CariadAgain Mon 03-Feb-25 13:05:25

Another one that agrees there's a good chance she deliberately intended you to read the note. If she'd wanted to express her feelings in writing about you - then I'd say she'd have done that in her own home and not a joint workplace.

Yep....agree that it's time to hand in your notice. About time you felt free to do what you please at your age - even if that's being retired and doing nowt very much. Dependant on whereabouts in the country you live = if you want to feel useful etc - then do voluntary work, rather than a job you yourself say isn't quite "up your street".

Also leave her to sort out her own online deliveries - I'm assuming it's from Tesco? Well I've been checking times and days they do this and it seems to be 7 days per week and for pretty long hours and so she could arrange a time/day to suit herself.

A lot of us will know that maybe we've got/had a mother that's a very different type of person to ourselves (yep....).....but the way she handled those differences (ie by writing a note she almost certainly meant you to find) was not very nice and was also short-sighted - as she'll now need to find another member of staff instead of you.