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Terrible relationship with DIL - am I the problem?

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CelloPlayer Sun 19-Apr-26 09:46:48

My eldest, C (22 years old) started seeing his current partner, A (24 years old) three years ago.

I will be honest, I was, at first, not thrilled with the relationship. First, I was a bit jarred by the age difference. C was born in 2004 whereas A was born in 2001. I worried she might have an upper hand in the relationship, and her experience with life could place him in a subservient role, even though I've raised him to be an independent, assertive young man. Second, I am Korean, and I always imagined my sons - I have two boys, aged 28 and 24 - would end up with Korean women. I would ask him from time to time if he had met any cute Korean girls at university, and every time I would get the same response: "No mom, I have a girlfriend and she is white just like your husband is white." I did not think that was very respectful, but I let it go.

We had a lot of arguments over the years due to some unfortunate statements I made as I suspected the relationship wasn't serious... I may have suggested once or twice that it might be good for him to “keep his options open” since they were still so young. At one point C stopped speaking to me for a bit when I tried to explain that cultural compatibility matters and that Asian women are often better mothers, partners, lovers, etc. In my experience, that is the truth.
To be clear: I apologized if I offended A, as this was not my inten. However, my son and DIL have not been able to let these "rocky beginnings" go, unfortunately.

They eloped in early 2025. It was literally just C, A and their dog. I tried not to take this decision personally. That said, it is hard to come to terms with the fact that my own son did not want me to share this beautiful moment with them... I had to do some reflecting, especially in regards to what kind of mother (and mother-in-law) I had been over the last few years. So I have tried very hard to make things right since she got pregnant. I bought gifts, brought over homemade meals, sent articles about baby care, and apologized, time and again, if I had offended her. I explained myself and even offered some reflections on cultural differences, tips for how to make different worldviews work within a marriage. My husband is white, British born, so I have had plenty of my own experiences. Nothing worked... none of my affection or generosity was returned. It's like talking to a wall. But apparently I am the problem.

A had their son in March. My husband and I were not allowed to be present during the birth or even visit afterward because she "didn't feel right". I understood and respected that at face value, though I heard (from mutual acquaintances) that her parents were there the entire time. I didn't want to assume the worst, but it was more and more difficult not to feel singled out... In the meantime, I tried to be thoughtful, bought lavish gifts for both the new mother and the boy, offered homemade meals. He said they appreciated my effort... but she still "wasn't feeling OK yet", so I was not allowed to see the baby.

I saw my grandson for the first time last week. I felt this had gone on long enough and took initiative, took time off work, and let C know I would be coming by. I don’t think a grandmother should have to beg for permission to meet her grandson. Since this visit, however, C and A have been ignoring my messages and calls, not a clue as to what is going on on their side, as my visit was pleasant and everyone seemed content. A was looking radiant if a bit tired, and the baby was peaceful and calm when I held him.

Have I gone wrong? At this point, I am at a loss. I have reflected, apologized, made efforts, been generous, and shown nothing but love. Meanwhile, A continues to keep me at arm’s length while allowing her own family full access.

How can I get through to A and win her over so that I am allowed to care for my grandson and share special moments with him just like her mother does? Have any of you gone through anything like this?

crazyH Sun 19-Apr-26 20:22:42

I think Cello has very gracefully admitted her mistakes.
I wonder why ms.i.l. get such a raw deal. We’re always treading on eggshells and most of the time, unsuccessfully.

Gran22boys Sun 19-Apr-26 20:31:36

crazyH

I think Cello has very gracefully admitted her mistakes.
I wonder why ms.i.l. get such a raw deal. We’re always treading on eggshells and most of the time, unsuccessfully.

I agree. Cello has asked for advice, has received it and has accepted her mistakes and is willing to change. Hopefully she can now put things right. She may have been, unsurprisingly, over-emotional at the thought of becoming a grandmother. She meant well but it came out wrong. I think her family should cut her some slack now.

silverlining48 Sun 19-Apr-26 21:55:29

Can’t agree that ‘backing away for months or years’ will help this unfortunate situation. Better to sincerely apologise, and mean it, try not to interfere and hope for the best.

Macaydia Sun 19-Apr-26 22:21:38

Shelflife

This can't be a genuine post !?
If it is then CelloPlayer you need help and fast. Expecting to be at the birth of their child, sending childcare advice. For goodness sake back off. There is so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to start. Estrangement hurtling towards you- not surprising really.

That was a funny post. And there was a whip. grin

Macaydia Sun 19-Apr-26 22:26:00

Sago

sixandahalf

Can you entice her with a small gift? Does she like hummingbirds at all?

Could this be a reference to the very bizarre post some time ago about the cleaner and the hummingbird cup and saucer?

That was a funny post. And there was a whip. grin

(I was trying to quote Sago's post not ShelfLife's confused)

BlessedArt Sun 19-Apr-26 23:58:48

crazyH

I think Cello has very gracefully admitted her mistakes.
I wonder why ms.i.l. get such a raw deal. We’re always treading on eggshells and most of the time, unsuccessfully.

MILs don’t get a raw deal. Most of us who are MILs manage to avoid saying racist or rude things and avoid being overbearing. It’s easier than you think.

It’s also not a “raw deal” when people distance from consistently unpleasant behaviour. It’s actually quite normal, regardless of familial title or relation. Kindness cost nothing. Keeping rude, unwanted opinions to one’s self takes little to no energy even when we’re talking to our own sons and daughters. No relationship is perfect but it’s easier to maintain cohesion when we think about others’ feelings before we speak. Our offspring and their partners are worthy of respect. Perhaps the OP would have fared better if she thought about that before being so unkind.

Newatthis Mon 20-Apr-26 00:02:21

OMG - Your son is as much 'white' as he is Korean! I take it he has been brought up on the UK? You sound VERY interfering even though you say you have stepped back. STOP send baby articles - they will bring up baby the way they see fit and provided they are not harming the baby then no-one should interfere - we all do things differently!!!

Macaydia Mon 20-Apr-26 00:47:38

I loved my MiL. She was so good to me. Rest her soul.

NotSpaghetti Mon 20-Apr-26 00:50:25

You have said several good things about your daughter-in-law. I would make a huge effort to find the good in her.
The more good things you notice I think you will like her more and more. Then what you say will become genuine.

I think you know what has gone wrong here.
If you get a chance I would try to see the positive in this relationship and would not chase seeing the baby or getting involved - even if this is hard.

I do hope things gradually improve for all of you.

Sago Mon 20-Apr-26 08:31:08

Macaydia

Sago

sixandahalf

Can you entice her with a small gift? Does she like hummingbirds at all?

Could this be a reference to the very bizarre post some time ago about the cleaner and the hummingbird cup and saucer?

That was a funny post. And there was a whip. grin

(I was trying to quote Sago's post not ShelfLife's confused)

Yes a whip!

It’s all coming back to me now.

It was a great thread, gave us lots of amusement😳

MarieElla Mon 20-Apr-26 09:07:08

I think your son and DIL have shown great strength of character by distancing themselves until yiu amend your behaviour, I hope, although they may not be prepared to give you another chance.
I'd like to know what your husband's role is/was in thus situation.
Did he point out how inappropriate your behaviour was or just go along with it?
So many people chastising you for yoyr behaviour, and rightfully so, but what about the Dad's part?

Esmay Mon 20-Apr-26 09:17:57

I've seen this attitude happen with my mix of multi national friends-and one thing they all learnt the hard way-they realised that love will usually conquer old fashioned family values and traditions.
It's hard for you to come to terms with it - perhaps heavily influenced by your upbringing -but you are in the wrong.
It's going to take a lot of apologies and smoothing over to make amends.
Apologise and then back off until they make a move towards a reconciliation.

crazyH Mon 20-Apr-26 18:05:26

I wish I could remember the humming story - please can someone elaborate . I need a laugh today 😂

crazyH Mon 20-Apr-26 18:05:38

Humming bird

sixandahalf Mon 20-Apr-26 18:28:39

crazyH

I wish I could remember the humming story - please can someone elaborate . I need a laugh today 😂

It was rather saucy, are you sure you can handle this? you may have an attack of the vapours.
Smelling salts at the ready.

Once Upon a time there was a cleaner who had a " thing" for hummingbirds. I know, I know but bear with me. She was youngish and attractive in a blousy Eastern European kind of way.
The heroine of our tale employed the slightly blousy cleaner but sadly the terms and conditions were not as clear as the crystal.
The husband of our heroine was a bit of an old sea dog who enjoyed the finer and ( some may say) darker things in life, including a bit of slap and tickle.
Imagine the horror when our heroine, innocently searching for a hat box in the wardrobe, finds a cane and a hummingbird cup!

Dear reader, I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.

LemonJam Mon 20-Apr-26 19:06:53

sixandahalf 18.28.

I remember that post well! I wonder how it all panned out since then...

Sago Mon 20-Apr-26 19:23:11

I think the saucy old sea dog and the cleaner got caught after the OP set up video surveillance

They were caught in the act

To get her revenge OP posted the footage on a naughty website, it got thousands of hits and earned OP a small fortune.

Saucy sea dog and cleaner are blissfully unaware and naively put on a new performance every Thursday afternoon.

OP is turning a blind eye as she is now in a new relationship and in the process of buying a new home on Jersey (tax haven)

Please understand I’m enjoying some lovely wine and needed a little fantasy myself this evening!

crazyH Tue 21-Apr-26 15:52:22

Sago - 🤣🤣🤣

Basgetti Tue 21-Apr-26 17:46:02

Sorry, OP, but you are what is often referred to as the MIL from Hell.

On top of every boundary you’ve crossed over the years - I completely understand why they eloped! - you’re still at it. Do not send her articles on baby care, fgs! Keep your nose out unless and until your advice is requested and even then, tread very carefully.
Would the very small age gap of three years have concerned you were your son the elder partner? I suspect not.

And yes, your statement that Korean women are better wives, mothers and partners is racist as hell.

Basgetti Tue 21-Apr-26 17:49:34

Christ, just caught up that you expected not only yourself but your husband to be present at the birth.

Sorry, but that’s just mad!

NotSpaghetti Tue 21-Apr-26 21:12:26

I'm wondering if you really meant present at the birth or that you meant (say) waiting at the hospital?

I think you said earlier that the other grandparents were present at the birth.
I don't really think it's likely that the grandfather would have been invited in to be honest, even if she had wanted her mother actually with her in the labour ward / her bedroom.

crazyH Wed 22-Apr-26 00:28:14

I’ve read the OP again, and she did say that she and her husband were hoping to be there ‘during the birth’, which is self-explanatory. Now, that would be an expectation too far.- I have never known of any culture, where the father-in-law is present in the delivery room. 😫

Macaydia Wed 22-Apr-26 01:01:19

Why would the DiL want other men viewing her gina? Utterly mad.

NotSpaghetti Wed 22-Apr-26 06:07:05

'during the birth’ doesn't mean in the room.

Macaydia Wed 22-Apr-26 06:40:16

I see. Maybe she meant "During the labour".

The story seems a bit phishy to me.