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My beliefs

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vampirequeen Mon 25-Feb-13 14:39:21

There seem to be assumptions being made about people's beliefs. So I decided to put the record straight on what I believe.

I'm technically a Roman Catholic but I don't believe the Church truly follows the simple messages given by Christ which was love God and love other people.

So what am I?

Well I believe that Christ was a good man who had suggested a way to live a good life but I have no idea whether or not the was the Son of God. It would be nice to think that there is a God who watches over us and cares about us but that's not in my life experience so if God does exist he's not the nice guy that I was taught he was.

God or the gods are much more fickle than that simplistic 'all loving' view. I'm more inclined to the ancient beliefs that God/the gods too have faults and sometimes play games with human lives for their own amusement or maybe that is the coincidences caused all the interactions that take place everyday between humans and the natural world.

I do believe there is more to existance than we can see. I believe in natural spirits (fairies and sprites if you want to give them a name). I believe that spirits can inhabit special places. I believe that after physical death the human spirit continues to exist in some form but I have no idea what that form is so maybe it's just wishful thinking.

I believe in ghosts either as a sort of spiritual recording (that a place can somehow absorb strong emotions and replay the images when somehow triggered) or as a trapped spirit that needs help to move on to wherever a spirit goes.

These are my basic beliefs. Feel free to discuss and debate them. I will not take offence if you don't agree with me or think I'm delusional. I will try to justify them but sometimes a belief can't be proved as no facts exist to provide concrete evidence.

gillybob Mon 25-Feb-13 14:51:29

What a lovely refreshing thread VQ.

I am not sure what I am really. Maybe an atheist ??

I do not believe in "god" as I cannot see how something/someone can hold the power of life over all of us. Additionally if (and it is a big if) such a thing did exist how twisted would he/she/it have to be to dish out out cruel illnesses to little children, allowing murders, disease,tragedy etc.

My Gran at 97 is a devout catholic. She tells me god is responsible for all the good that is around us. My argument is that he or she cannot jut take credit for the good things but must take the blame for the bad things too. confused

Barrow Mon 25-Feb-13 14:53:58

I believe in God, I believe that Jesus was the Son of God who died for our sins. I believe He made us and then said something along the lines of "OK here are 10 rules I would like you to live your lives by, but it is up to you whether you do or not". I also believe that when we fail to live by the rules and we ask Him to forgive us, He does so unconditionally, says "OK I forgive you now go and try again" and, when we fail again, forgives us again.

Although I know there are many GNs who don't have any belief at all and think it is all superstitious rubbish I gain a great deal of comfort from my faith.

nightowl Mon 25-Feb-13 15:20:11

Thank you for starting this thread Vampirequeen. I guess I would have to call myself an atheist if I were to call myself anything at all. I was brought up in the C of E, went to Sunday School, was baptised and later confirmed and then got married in church. For a long time after that I would have described myself as an atheist but I have always believed there is a spiritual dimension to this world that deserves further exploration. I agree this does not have to include a notion of a god, but I have not ruled it out. I occasionally attend church, at times that are important to me. I am very drawn to the ideas of the Quakers, which I believe recognise that everyone seeks for understanding in their own way.

vampirequeen Mon 25-Feb-13 15:21:08

I used to have faith and it can be very comforting but it can also be a cause of fear and despair. My mum finds it very comforting to believe she'll see my dad again which is lovely but a friend is terrified she will go to hell because of something she did when she was a teenager.

j08 Mon 25-Feb-13 15:32:14

I have had faith in the Christian God since I can remember. In the last few years I have lost my faith somewhat (mostly because of the convincing arguments my son puts forward about how we are just nerve endings and suchlike hmm). And other reasons of course.

But, like I have said before somewhere, there is something that keeps me hanging on.


Anne58 Mon 25-Feb-13 15:33:56

I am still trying to work out my beliefs, but I would like to make one point that I have found thought provoking.

The sun, big orange thing in the sky (well, sometimes) we call it the sun, the French would call it la soleil (forgive spelling and or grammar, please) in German it would be de sonne, in Chinese it would be something else etc etc.

So, we are all talking about the same thing, but just with a different name, agreed?

So perhaps God, Allah, Buddha etc are all the same thing, but with different names?

j08 Mon 25-Feb-13 15:34:10

I don't really believe we will actually see again our loved ones who have died. But perhaps there is another way of coming together.

feetlebaum Mon 25-Feb-13 15:35:05

Are we permitted to ask those who hold these beliefs 'why'?

Ana Mon 25-Feb-13 15:36:32

I did suggest that idea on this forum somewhere, phoenix, but it was pointed out that some religions have many different 'gods'...

absent Mon 25-Feb-13 15:40:29

I don't think I have anything that would be called faith but I do believe that we have a kind of immortality in the memories and influences we pass on to other generations, whether good or bad. I think I have been extraordinarily lucky to have known someone that I would describe as genuinely "good". She was a profound influence on my life and also that of my daughter. Consequently, her goodness, honesty and integrity pass on down the line as aspirations for children who never knew her.

Butty Mon 25-Feb-13 15:53:13

vq I admire the simplicity and openness of your thread title. smile

janthea Mon 25-Feb-13 15:54:30

I suppose I’m an agnostic. I don’t know for sure whether there is a god or not. If you look back through the ages at all the gods of Egypt, Rome, Greece, Scandinavia, etc. how do we know that the Christian god is any more real than those were. Perhaps in 10,000 years people will be saying that the Christian god was no more real than, say, Zeus, Ra, Thor and any other pagan god and there will be some new religion.

Ancient people believed their gods were real as do people now. What’s the difference? People can believe what they want, if it gives them comfort, whether it’s fairies, gods or whatever. I believe that human beings have it in them to be good or moral without some religion telling them that they have to be.

I believe that religions were formed by powerful people to keep the rest in line and control them. The religions got richer and more powerful and laid down more rules to control the populace.

The Catholic view that priests should be celibate doesn’t sit well the belief that Jesus lived during time when priests (Jewish – as Jesus would have been a Jew) were married.

Difficult to put into words without offending people, but I do believe that the bible is no more than a story like the myths and legends of ancient gods.

Butty Mon 25-Feb-13 16:06:08

absent What a wonderful life-gift to have received.

My therapist was one such a woman, as you describe, and she was able to open up my eyes to the goodness in others. Her legacy is priceless.

Bags Mon 25-Feb-13 16:11:48

I have known people like that too, and they have had a lasting influence on my life and my way of living, such that my children will have benefited from those people too smile.

Bags Mon 25-Feb-13 16:12:23

And I see DD1 passing much of it on to her children too.

Ella46 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:21:36

I believe in the power of love and goodness and also in the power of evil.
Both can have great influence on peoples lives.

nightowl Mon 25-Feb-13 16:22:36

feetlebaum of course you are permitted to ask 'why?'. I'm sure you would receive a different answer from everyone you ask. I hold no particular beliefs so can't answer your question. But I am open-minded and look for answers in many different places. Each to their own smile

j08 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:23:38

Perhaps that's God Ella. And the meaning of "the devil"

Goose Mon 25-Feb-13 16:34:02

I'm a Humanist. I feel everyone is entitled to hold on to any Faith they wish - or not believe in anything Spiritual at all. As long as the action of their Belief doesn't harm anyone else, then I don't see it should matter.

Ella46 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:34:12

I don't know where they come from, but I don't believe in a god or a devil.

j08 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:35:44

I agree Goose. smile

j08 Mon 25-Feb-13 16:36:40

Ella No, I don't believe in an old man with a beard or a red creature with a forked tail! grin

janthea Mon 25-Feb-13 16:36:57

Goose Maybe I'm also a Humanist as I agree with what you have written

Bags Mon 25-Feb-13 17:00:01

Agreed, goose.