Should we follow France's lead and ban face coverings?

" ^Polarising girls who dress like 'tarts'^"

Nobody was !!!! It was stated by a poster that that is how a group of Mus.....

Oh never mind. [tears hair and vows to walk away]

Iam64. I was a teenager in the late 60s and early 70s- living in London from April 1970- and hitch-hiked to the Isle of Wight to see Hendrix, the Stones, the Who, etc- so I was definitely young once- wore torn jeans and mini-skirts, etc, smoked and drunk a bit too much at time, etc (never any drugs though).

I am surprised none of the GNeters who live abroad have commented. I'm sure they would confirm that Britain does have a problem at the moment, which goes far beyond wearing 'different' clothes and having a bit of fun- with far too large a % of youngsters. If you do dare go out to town any Saturday night after midnight- you will see what I mean, I'm sure. And if you lived in Barcelona, Budapest, Ayanapa, Magaluf, San Antonio, etc- you would be appalled- really. It may come as a shock that the behaviour of young Brits abroad (and in our cities at week-ends) is truly shocking, even to youngsters of the same age in France, Germany and all mainland Europe.

It is tragic and VERY very dangerous for those kids- and leads to many rapes, injuries, deaths from fights, falling from balconies, acute liver failure, etc, etc. I am 2/3 British, lived in UK 40 years, have daughters still there and grand-children- so I am certainly not anti-British. I am truly concerned- especially as that behaviour is also accompanied by huge drug use, be it e's, cocaïne, skunk and many more synthetic and totally unchecked drugs.

My point was however- that in many ways it is naïve to think our girls are 'free'- they are under huge pressure to conform to peer pressure, trash magazines, and manipulated from all sides by advertising, etc, etc.

When my Muslim 6th Former said they felt sorry for them- i was truly shocked- and it gave me lots of food for thought. It is useful, I believe- to point out that Muslim girls wearing a scarf and modest clothing, and even the burka- may also be manipulated- but perhaps to a lesser and less pervasive extent.

I see your point, Granjura.
We live in a very rural backwater of SW France, most of the locals dress modestly (can't afford new!) though this is starting to change with the teenagers.
We get many british holidaymakers, and notice the teens wearing outfits which would be ok at the seaside, or a big city. But inappropriate here.
They get lots of puzzled or leery looks.

Why would English schoolgirls call traditionally dressed muslim girls "tarty"?

I said 'in a likewise fashion' - as in commenting on the form of dress chosen.

Excellent post Iam64

Thanks Holly

And children on the continent seem to be better brought up than ours. Just much nicer.

Only the British could turn a thread about banning face coverings into an opportunity to beat ourselves up for our general shortcomings as a nation

Gotta face facts. Can't be criticising others without acknowledging our own shortcomings.

night, I don"t think is an opportunity to^ beat ourselves up ^
However, I do most certainly think we as a nation drink more than many others !

Hmm

That is why I think Blairs idea of longer opening hours was nuts !

We don"t really sit and slowly drink as they do on the Continent !

Again

Hmm

And children on the continent seem to be better brought up than ours. Just much nicer.

That is a gross generalisation that does a disservice to the thousands/millions of British young people who are law abiding, well mannered and hard working. You can't use the yardstick of the chavs to measure all young people - that would be as unreasonable as saying all Muslims are would-be terrorists.

British children have been labelled, by the WHO, as some of the most depressed children in the world. Maybe that answers some questions ...

Only the British could turn a thread about banning face coverings into an opportunity to beat ourselves up for our general shortcomings as a nation

Agreed. To read some of these posts, you'd think Britain was the only country to have troublesome young people.

Well Hollydaze I stand by what I said, despite your forcibly expressed disapprobation.

Does your hand get at all tired, copying out so many of other people's posts?

Because I am basically lazy, I don't bother copying out other people's posts however, it always helps when somebody does take the trouble to do so, like HollyDaze
We may prefer [as parents now and grandparents] our girls to wear demure outfits, but when we were teenagers ourselves? No, we wanted to look attractive. Nothing wrong with that, and the boys mostly managed to keep their hands off us without permission.What does it say about Muslim boys if a girl has to be muffled up in order to not drive him mad with desire, it's laughable.We may also be a nation of drinkers, but no worse than a lot of countries, what about Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Iceland, they can sink a few there as well [and totter about in the streets.]If we are talking 'big problems' it's drugs, and that affects most countries.

(I think HollyDaze probably copies and pastes the relevant bits of others' posts, rather than typing them out...)

Does your hand get at all tired, copying out so many of other people's posts?

It makes it easier for some of us to know what she is answering instead of constantly going back through to see what was said earlier.
My memory is not like an elephant's these days (and probably never was!)
I find it helpful anyway.

I do sometimes, but other times I wish Holly would give the name of the poster she's replying to - if it's a much earlier post it can be confusing.

I find it easier to follow if someone says something like, "Quoting poster" and then goes on to quote the post. (It's what quotation marks are for)

Just saying.

Yes. I realise Hollydaze copies and pastes!

Hmm...

What?

I mean, pardon?

Oh! I wasn't referring back...

Devious thinking or what!

I just meant when she is quoting posts.