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EmilyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 25-Sep-14 11:26:52

Do you believe in angels?

First-time novelist and Huffington Post blogger, Hattie Holden Edmonds tells us about an experience that made her question whether those uncanny coincidences in life might just be little miracles. A topic which she was inspired to explore further in her first novel, Cinema Lumiere.

Hattie Holden Edmonds

Cinema Lumiere

Posted on: Thu 25-Sep-14 11:26:52

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Hattie Holden Edmonds

"That first fizz of inspiration can come from anywhere, but for me there are several technicolour moments, that seem to be spotlighted in the run up to writing Cinema Lumière. One of the most extraordinary incidents took place over ten years ago, but even now, whenever I think about it, I feel a skitter of goosebumps across my skin...

‘Did that really just happen?’ I asked my friend Angelika as we sat on the bus, heading towards Kings Cross. We were both staring at each other, trying to find a rational explanation for something utterly irrational that had just happened.

Earlier that afternoon, Angelika and I, had been to the Tate Modern, to help take my mind, if only for an afternoon, off the recent death of my father from a stroke. Angelika had also lost a family member that year so perhaps naturally, our conversation as we’d stepped on the bus, turned to the possibility of life after death. Neither of us had very strong opinions on the subject and neither of us are religious.

We were the last passengers to board the bus and were sitting at the front on the ground floor, just by the luggage racks. As we rumbled off, we continued the conversation, but seconds later, without the bus having had a chance to stop again and let any other passengers on, we noticed an old man standing to our left, by the driver’s booth. He was dressed in an oddly old-fashioned three-piece suit made from Harris tweed. I knew this because my Dad had a thing about Harris tweed suits and as a child I loved going with him to his tailors.

"There's a part of me that believes that it was nothing less than a little miracle."


So it was the suit that I clocked first. Then I noticed that there was something sticking out of the man’s top jacket pocket, which I can only describe as an out-sized calling card. Short-sighted as I am, I could still make out what it said because the writing was in such bold print.

“Death is not the end, it is just the beginning.”

‘That is so bizarre,’ said Angelika, in answer to my initial question. But she wasn’t looking at me anymore.

I followed her gaze to where the man had been standing – but now there was only an empty space next to the driver’s booth. We scanned the rest of the ground floor but he wasn’t there either. The bus hadn’t stopped in the short distance since we first noticed him, so presumably he’d gone up to the top deck, although he must have been pretty nifty on his feet. I scooted upstairs to check, but he wasn’t there either.

Even though it took place over seven years ago, that afternoon has stuck in my mind with technicolour clarity. I’m still undecided about what exactly happened. Part of me wants to dismiss the encounter as simply a coincidence. And yet there’s another part of me, a part which lies a little deeper, that believes that the man who got on the bus with precisely the answer to mine and Angelika’s question poking out of his top pocket, was nothing less than a little miracle.

Have you ever experienced something similarly inexplicable? If so, I’d love to hear about it and how you chose to see it.

Hattie can be found spending most of her time writing, while running a ramshackle cinema in a fisherman's hut in Whitstable, and teaching meditation at a palliative care unit in Ladbroke Grove.
Her first novel, Cinema Lumiere, the story of a mysterious picture-house with only one seat, is out now. You can purchase a copy on Amazon.

By Hattie Holden Edmonds

Twitter: @gransnet

Iam64 Fri 26-Sep-14 18:30:49

So do I Greenfinch, small acts of kindness are a joy. My mother saw an angel by her bed, when she was, it was thought, dying from typhoid fever. She began to get better overnight. smile

susieb755 Fri 26-Sep-14 18:33:38

I remember reading CS Lewis Crewtape letters, in which the young devil is told to do anything to divert people from Christian belief

The dead are summoned in the bible, to Gods displeasure - at a however I think if God knows every thing about me, it slikely that the devil does too, so easy for a bad spirit to pretend to be a dead relative at a seance/medium

I also think that energy can be left behind if something has happened , and somepeople can tune in, like a radio and see it/hear it - maybe this energy can be sent like a message , when someone dies suddenly ?

My dad always 'knew ' things

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 26-Sep-14 18:59:51

I agree about that energy thing. And I think souls don't always depart this world as soon as the body dies. At least, I think I think that.

Ana Fri 26-Sep-14 19:14:29

I read the Screwtape Letters years ago - might dig it out again!

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 26-Sep-14 19:32:59

sounds good

I loved Aslan when Wardrobe was on the telly. (years ago)

susieb755 Fri 26-Sep-14 21:48:34

I love all the Narnia books...

Joelise Fri 26-Sep-14 22:26:44

A friend of mine always has a nap in the afternoon. A few months ago, she was going through a troubling time, she went for her nap, & saw a young black man, dressed very smartly in a suit. She shook herself awake, thinking that she had been burgled, there was no one there. The same thing happened the next afternoon. She spoke to a mutual friend, who is a healer & he said that it was my friends guide! She wasn't afraid , but she has had other psychic experiences. She hasn't seen the young man again, but is sure he is her guardian angel.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 26-Sep-14 22:50:04

That made me shiver Joelise. But I am a bit chilly. Still....

Joelise Fri 26-Sep-14 23:26:37

I know what you mean jinglbellsfrocks it gave me a shiver down the spine when she told me about her experience.��

RockNanny Sat 27-Sep-14 01:27:03

I had an odd, but happy, experience several years ago. It was a work day and my lunch break was almost over, so I was walking back to the office, through the town. I was feeling very dispirited, probably because I was unhappy with the way my colleague treated me. Suddenly a man was right in front of me, saying these words (I will never forget them): "Don't ever let anyone tell you you are not beautiful!" I was momentarily stunned, then my heart swelled and I beamed a huge smile. I turned to find him to say 'thank you' but I could not see him in the crowd. Was he an angel or was he just a kind person who had sensed my misery and knew exactly what to say? I will never know.

Grannyknot Sat 27-Sep-14 07:43:07

I think I've recounted this story on here before - the night after my mother died, my daughter who was 13 at the time, woke me with the sounds of her sobbing, at around dawn. I went through to her and she told me that she had had a vivid dream where she saw my mother (through a window she thought to be our lounge windows) in a beautiful garden (but not our garden). Feeling immensely happy to see her adored grandmother, she opened the window, leant out and called to her. In her dream, my mother then silently approached, but when my daughter reached out to touch her, she vanished. My daughter then woke up sobbing.

The strange thing about her dream was, that she described the vision she had seen perfectly - my mother as a young woman, in other words as my daughter would never have known her. We had no similar photos of my mom
There was detail my daughter could not have known. I have no explanation for it to this day.

Greenfinch Sat 27-Sep-14 08:40:33

The concept of time may belong to our world alone but not to any other. Perhaps we slip out of time occasionally. Just a thought.
We do in dreams anyway. I frequently dream that my parents are still alive.

hildajenniJ Sat 27-Sep-14 08:52:30

I believe in the afterlife. I didn't, or was open minded until my DD started talking about a man she could see. He was never in the room with her. She saw him through a window or through an open door and she often asked me if I could see him, I never could. We lived in Cumbria and DD went to university in London. She'd been there about three days when she phoned to say that she had seen the man again, at the end of the landing in the halls of residence. She thought he had been a ghost that haunted our house, but realised he must be her spirit guardian, when she saw him in London. My DD is very sensitive and see ghosts. My DGD saw a little boy sitting on the lawn at their old house, which was beside the ruins of a castle, written about by Sir Walter Scott. The little boy she described had on really funny old clothes, as she said. Legend has it that a kitchen boy was sent on an errand from the castle. The people inside forgot about him and closed the place up for the night, the following morning when they opened the door, they found the little boy, frozen to death on the doorstep, the lawn of the house would be about the place of the castle door. You can read the Walter Scott poem it is called "The Bridal of Triermain".

HattieHoldenEdmonds Sat 27-Sep-14 10:25:55

Am loving all your stories. Thanks so much. Am tempted to go and see an angel channeller to see if he/she can possibly help me see one, even though I'm still a bit of a sceptic. Can anyone recommend a reputable one in London?

penguinpaperback Sat 27-Sep-14 11:35:34

I do not believe in life after death, heaven, angels. But I and a work colleague both spoke to a solid small smiling woman who came into the tiny empty shop we were working in, through the one door we had, asked if she could look upstairs, went clanking up the tiny wrought iron spiral staircase to look at the merchandise and promptly vanished into thin air. I followed her up the stairs. There was no way out. Odd.
Not the only 'ghost' 'angel' I've seen and I don't even believe in them.

Greenfinch Sat 27-Sep-14 11:37:25

Read Gloria Hunniford's article in DM today. (I only bought it for the free lego for DGS. Really!)

penguinpaperback Sat 27-Sep-14 11:39:02

I might be in danger of losing the plot but I wonder if images, sounds even can get trapped, somehow and be released again, in a loop, a one off.
A science based explanation for apparitions I mean.

feetlebaum Sat 27-Sep-14 11:48:37

Yes - it usually involves a magnetic or other digital medium, such as videotape or a DVD...

Faye Sat 27-Sep-14 11:57:49

I have enjoyed them too Hattie, there are more stories on Gransnet under Spooky Moments in the Religion and Spirituality section.

penguinpaperback Sat 27-Sep-14 12:09:19

Ha, well yes I did say I might be losing the plot feetle. grin
There was a Radio 4 programme, years ago, which discussed if it were possible for sounds to become trapped and then released somehow in brickwork. Dunno, just looking for a scientific explanation.

Purpledaffodil Mon 29-Sep-14 13:11:26

Our C of E deanery has an exorcist. Sounds more dramatic than it is, just a parish priest who specialises in helping people with paranormal experiences. I don't think it is something advertised widely smile. DD went to see him when they were having strange happenings in their rented student house, lights, sounds and things moving around. He was very helpful and did talk about place memory which sounds similar to your idea penguin. Interestingly when.they were all moving out, they found a ouija board hidden behind a wardrobe and my understanding is that these are a bad idea in respect of malicious spirits, if you believe in such things of course.

Iam64 Mon 29-Sep-14 13:34:04

I believe all CoE deanery's have an exorcist, or specialist in helping people who are afraid they're experiencing paranormal experiences. I went to ask to advice, when as a sw I was involved with a family who believed one of their children was possessed. The Dean who is our local 'expert' was so calm, and helpful. He worked with a multi disciplinary team, including a well known forensic psychiatrist, as the links between mental health and faith experiences can't be denied. His faith was strong, but he was clear that it is vanishingly rare for his team to be involved with an individual/family who believe they' re in the hold of malign spirits, and for there to be no practical/emotional/psychiatric explanation for the situation. In 30 plus years he said he'd come across only 1 or 2 cases that couldn't be explained by identifying either practical, or emotional influences. I didn't get the opportunity to ask the psychiatrist (who did not have a faith) his view on that.

The Dean's input was a real positive, and a very difficult, sad and painful family situation. It would not have helped these children, or their parents to have had their belief systems dismissed, nor to have had workers who shared what was in fact, a delusional belief system. The responded well to being helped to understand the health, and practical issues that contributed to their family crisis.
smile

j0hn52 Mon 29-Sep-14 14:04:48

The 'supernatural' does not exist. There are no angels, no demons, no miracles, only reality which sometimes defies explanation but is still real and all there is. If you take comfort in a spirit world then good for you, but its just in your imagination.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 29-Sep-14 15:03:01

Spoilsport.

Ana Mon 29-Sep-14 15:05:29

Just because a thing is incomprehensible to some human minds doesn't mean it's not true.