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God and war

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soontobe Tue 03-Nov-15 21:09:35

I am starting this thread because there seems to be huge differences between what people think, and what is actually in the Bible about this.

God is slow to anger. And in the Bible seems to give people multiple chances to repent.

But he is not a pushover, and war was quite frequent in the Bible.

I in no way know everything about this subject, but wanted to start a discussion anyway.

nigglynellie Mon 16-Nov-15 18:50:52

People will only find out after they die!! There's no way anyone can be 100% certain till then.

soontobe Mon 16-Nov-15 17:55:24

Because if people are told after they die, it is too late.

nigglynellie Mon 16-Nov-15 17:14:07

I simply can't understand what all this debating about the existence of God. whether Jesus is sitting on Gods right hand, the Holy Ghost is heaven knows who, or whether Lucifer lives in hell; because, let's face it, none of knows what lies in the blue beyond, none of us in this world can ever know for certain, no one has ever come back to tell us and the only time we will know for absolute certain whether God, Jesus, the Devil, and the Holy Ghost exist is after we die, so why have an argument about something that no one can prove one way or the other?!!

soontobe Mon 16-Nov-15 15:15:48

I am not more upset over the killings in Paris than the killings in Africa , but I think all people are equal

Posted by Anniebach on a different thread. And as someone has rightly said, discussing religion on a different topic can get a bit much for posters.

As I have said elsewhere, Ab, and I gave relevant quotes, God instigated the killing of people in the Bible.
Just because it wasnt recorded in one of the 4 books in the BIble that you may like best, doesnt mean that it didnt happen.

Back in Bible times at least, when people persistently disobeyed God , after they had been consistently warned, the end result was not sweetness and light for those concerned.

soontobe Mon 09-Nov-15 18:03:56

Well I meant one time. But I apologise Alea. It was twice in my post.

Alea Mon 09-Nov-15 17:54:21

And I hate, and I dont use that word lightly, hate, that people including Christians dismiss many books in the New Testament because they are written by Paul, and therefore are deemed too difficult to carry out what is written in them

That is exactly what you said.
Selective memory perhaps?

Anniebach Mon 09-Nov-15 17:45:45

Soon, Paul had problems , I think he would have been a happier man if he had married Lydia, unless as some believe - he was gay

soontobe Mon 09-Nov-15 17:39:11

Sorry about your left arm.
I dont think I have ever said I hate anything on this forum before. Either on the religious forum or anywhere else on gransnet. Because I dont.
So I dont think I will worry too much about having used that word once. smile

TriciaF Mon 09-Nov-15 17:34:50

soon - your post of yesterday at twenty past eight pm:
if you're going to take part, or start, religious discussions on forums you need to get used to the fact that many people are going to write things that you hate.
it's an emotive subject, I usually try to stay out of them now for that reason.
also, I think Paul , who wrote some time after JC's life, distorts his message.
ps apologies for lack of some punctuation - can't use my left arm sad

soontobe Mon 09-Nov-15 17:11:07

etheltbags1 - I think there are 3 questions in your post.

can you tell me why does god (if he exists) allow war
The old chestnut of he allows people to have free will to a large extent.

allows illness to happen
As well as free will which means we can do harm to ourselves to a certain extent, there is also the devil
{I have to say that I am not sure of my own stance myself about illness and where it comes from exactly]

Cant he guide us to live better lives and not to fight each other
I would say that he does actually, though he doesnt exactly ram it down our throats.

Anniebach Sun 08-Nov-15 22:54:10

soon, I was not speaking of the quotes but the interpretation of the quotes, I do not google for interpretations or opinions on the bible, do so and one can read an interpretation by a JW, I respect their right to their interpretation of scripture but do not agree with them. I give my interpretation / opinion and right or wrong, they are mine . If I am troubled and have difficulties I discuss it with my priest but still make my own decisions

soontobe Sun 08-Nov-15 22:31:12

The link had many texts, the majority of which were not written by Paul.

durhamjen, do you believe in God?

etheltbags1, I will try to answer your question tomorrow.

durhamjen Sun 08-Nov-15 20:46:50

I hate it when people think opinions are facts.

durhamjen Sun 08-Nov-15 20:46:02

Soon, your link was to Corinthians.

etheltbags1 Sun 08-Nov-15 20:38:57

soon to be, I may be niaive but can you tell me why does god (if he exists) allow war and illness to happen. Cant he guide us to live better lives and not to fight each other, and live healthy lives without diseases such as cancer and other horrible illnesses

soontobe Sun 08-Nov-15 20:25:49

The gospel of John?
The book of 1 John?

And I hate, and I dont use that word lightly, hate, that people including Christians dismiss many books in the New Testament because they are written by Paul, and therefore are deemed too difficult to carry out what is written in them.

durhamjen Sun 08-Nov-15 20:12:50

Of course it's an opinion. It's a letter written by Saint Paul. It's his opinion.

soontobe Sun 08-Nov-15 20:04:44

Quotes from the New Testament are opinions and not facts. In your opinion?
Am I understanding you correctly?

Anniebach Sun 08-Nov-15 16:45:10

And it's an opinion not a fact

soontobe Sun 08-Nov-15 13:38:24

www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

It is a complicated answer.

Anniebach Sat 07-Nov-15 22:11:16

Man rules the world hence the wars, poverty, cruelty

overthehill Sat 07-Nov-15 21:38:56

There is talk of `if there was a God there wouldn't be any war/famine/death etc` but perhaps we are reading it wrong.

Who rules the world? God? Some people think that the devil rules, not God and that would maybe explain a lot.

soontobe Sat 07-Nov-15 10:25:52

I had to google jingl.
There are many verses about God sitting on his throne, so I can only conclude that he does or will do it a lot.

There are 2 or 3 or more parts in the Bible where there is some more information if you are interested.
They are
Isaiah chpt 40, Ezekiel especially chapters 43 and 44, and psalm 11.
Hope this helps.

soontobe Thu 05-Nov-15 13:34:41

I am relieved by your post Ab.
I am glad you believe in God, Christ and the Holy Spirit, as do I.

jingl, still looking into your question.

Anniebach Thu 05-Nov-15 12:29:48

soon, do you not read posts ? I said hearing the word of God , just how can you ask such a silly question, it is not possible to separate Christ from God. Do you not believe in The Holy Trinity.

I didn't post the entire passage because I do not search the internet then copy and post, I post from memory of scripture read

Your faith baffles me sorry