Lords Prayer advert banned

loud are they?

Carol concerts in town centres are a tradition and a small antidote to the horrible commercial razzamatazz that surrounds Christmas. I would reiterate what rosesarered has said you can choose to walk away from them if they bother you.

Plus, we don't pay for Carol concerts, unless by making a voluntary donation.

Meanwhile apparently a church has banned yoga classes that have been running for nine years because of yoga's links to "alternative spirituality". Two-faced or what?

The yoga teacher is not religious and says it is an exercise class.

@Anniebach - a carol concert would be a totally appropriate venue for - er - carols... which were originally for dancing I believe, although I don't know where I read that. I rather think people attending such performances would know exactly what to expect and be fully primed for Adeste Fideles, but not necessarily for Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer....

As for the attitude of the Church to the cinema commercial - I am amazed that they are amazed, if you know what I mean. The arrogance of it, assuming their propaganda was going to be welcome without a by-your-leave or kiss-me-chasuble...

Have we had a link yet? If not, it's here It's the 'Just Pray' video.

Can we not have any feeble jokes on here. Pleeease.

The problem is, that if you allow this 'advert' to take place, you could then run into a problem with other religious sects including violent ones also wanting to proclaim their beliefs. What you do for one you would have to do for another, which could lead to all sorts of difficulties. I think too, that a lot of people would find this embarrassing, and would either talk, shuffle, or even catcall during this episode. All in all, the cinema is not the right place for religion, unless it is a specifically a religious film. Carol services you can walk past, or listen for a minute or two; in the cinema you can't 'escape'!!!

I agree about the catcalling!

They could put it on the telly!

I am amazed at some church's attitude to yoga classes and to Harry Potter/His Dark Material type of books. They might try to dissuade their members from partaking in activities such as yoga, but I can't imagine they carry much sway and make themselves look ridiculous. Most people can't stand this sort of pontificating imo.

If you go to a carol concert, you choose to sing or listen to carols, if you walk past a group singing carols in the street you can stop and listen or keep walking.

If you go to the cinema you choose to see a film, and if the policy of the cinema is "no political or religious advertising" then that applies to ALL religious advertising across the board, so there is no way that anyone can complain of religious discrimination - an advert of someone reciting the Koran, or declaiming atheist rhetoric would not appear either.

If you sat in the stalls muttering the Lord's Prayer to yourself, I don't imagine you would be thrown into jail for it.

Very loud rosesarered, very !

How could anyone believe that this ad would persuade anyone to go to church or re-examine his/her beliefs? The C of E has just made itself look naive and foolish.

Seems I haven't explained clearly enough for some,I am interested in the views of others , not said I agree or disagree with the ban , was interested to know the views of the public

Thanks for the link jingle, I hadn't seen it.

So not an advert for the church

I have no problem with banning religion, all religions, from cinemas. I think this was put forward and to be paid for as an 'advert'. That's not on.

So murder, rape, theft, is acceptable but not a prayer ?

Another example of cultural confusion! People of faith think of prayer as an essential part of life, secular people think it's a private hobby. If you don't believe in the man (or woman) in the sky, why should prayer worry you? Saying the Our Father shouldn't cause any more problems than someone reciting a Shakespeare sonnet. Incidentally, the 'it might offend people of other faiths' argument doesn't hold water. I've been to interfaith events where nearly everyone has joined in with the Lord's Prayer.

So who is paying to advertise murder, rape or theft? If you mean as plot features in forthcoming attractions that is hardly a comparison, since we can assume you do not consider prayer to be a mere fictional device.

It has always been an anomaly that you could show (simulated) murder, but not (simulated) love-making...

this is what puzzles me, atheists sing carols which are praise of the birth they think is fiction , they exchange Christmas greetings of Christ's Mass , which again is for them fiction . Why not greet with Happy Holiday , send happy holiday cards , Mark 25th December as Winterville Day

Some of our traditions such as winter feasting pre date Christianity. Christmas itself has been with us for centuries. Personally I can't stand all that mealy mouthed Happy Holidays, Winterville stuff. Why should we offload our customs, in the name of what for heavens sake.

I worked for a Jewish firm in my younger days, they didn't have a problem celebrating Christmas, which of course they don't believe in. Similarly I have read the same about Hindus, Muslims and other denominations. We have Hindu neighbours nearby who cover their house with lights (very tasteful ones) for Divali and then again for Christmas I believe I'm right in saying that some Hindus particularly love the whole "light up" aspect of Christmas. Personally I hate the commercial side and it just goes on for too long, I was discussing this with a German friend last week and she said it's all a bit more low key in Germany which I would prefer.

Nevertheless, I still always select my cards with a "Christmas" greeting in them somewhere, not Happy Holidays. As for Winterville straight to Room 101 with that one

Diwali not Divali and Winterval not Winterville

Yes TerriBull, I know Christmas came after winter feasting, but I don't see why the majority in this discussion think The Lords Prayer should be reserved for the home or church but are happy to sing of Christs birth publicly , and to exchange greetings of Happy Christ's Mass , I am curious [ smile ]

And why not the Lord's Prayer since nearly every commercial at this time of year (it isn't even Advent yet!) has a carol as soundtrack. With words. So much for not using religious material. Jingle Bells, Hark the Herald Angels, what's the difference?

Winterval was never a contender for the Christmas slot - it was an Arts Festival organised by Birmingham Council, to run for a specified time and then to finish. Our wonderful meejuh - no idea which paper started it - then did their usual worst.

Christmas wasn't something the Church was interested in, until it needed something to take over the winter celebration ("The sun WILL come back!") - and as you know even today much of the original celebrations survive - Yule log, Christmas Tree, Gift-giving, role reversal - do the Officers still serve the men with dinner on Christmas Day? That's straight from the Roman Saturnalia.

Christians in one of the American Colonies banned Christmas... Christianity arrived very late at the feast... ahead of it were all those other sects with deities born of virgins on 25th December. Mithra is one that comes to mind, but there is a fairly long list.

So no, atheist folks do not celebrate a Christian festival, how could we? It's merely a Christianised celebration of the turnaround that brings back the light and the warmth, after it had all ebbed away in the late Autumn.