same sex marriage-in church

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What has? Gay marriage in church? Homosexual relationships? Societies evolving?
Sorry but I am finding your comments contradictory,
ill-informed, naive and fairly pointless. You have no valid standpoint and no way to justify what you're saying.
I'll leave you your 'discussion'.

Good idea muffin , I know so little about them except it’s an English custom ?

Ohh Mcem, I think it’s all been done since time immemorial

Annie should I start another thread about the Morris dancers

muffinthemoo you may not be interested in the Methodists or any Church but this thread is same sex marriage in Church not what Morris dancers may or may not stitck up their bums

Bridgeit shouldn't we also acknowledge that societies develop and evolve? Would you accept being stuck in a philosophical timewarp? O tempora, o mores!

Ohhh I say??

abbey you appear to have somehow misinterpreted my statement that I "am not concerned with the Methodists" as some sort of interest in debating their position with you.

I will clarify. The position of the Methodist community as regards gay marriage is as relevant to me as their position on Morris dancing naked with a carrot shoved up their bums. They get to have their quirky little opinions, and everyone else gets to not give a tinker's cuss about them.

As long as the civil and criminal law of this country does not discriminate against people for being gay, or deprive gay people of the same rights to form families as straight people have always enjoyed, the position of religious communities is not relevant to the lives of gay people.

Gay people absolutely have been historically persecuted for being gay in this country, too, abbey. I take it you are familiar with the histories of Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing, to name only two? You are aware of the effect of s164 to 172 of the Policing and Crime Act 2017?

I don’t know if it says Never see them again .
But it was for them to leave join him there & then

Did Christ say ‘ give up your families and never see them again? He was at a wedding with his mother , he was at the home of Peter’s family when he healed Peter’s mother in law. He visited Synagogues so was in villages and towns . Peter and Andrew lived in Galilee.

So are you saying don’t believe what the Bible says ?

No, not at all. I am not giving any personal view at all.

So are you saying don’t believe what the Bible says ?

Sadly Abbey, we will never know.

We may never know but you can ask , given the nature and behaviour of Jesus as portrayed in the Bible is it likely he would ask for his disciples to leave their families without support - even if he asked them to leave their families behind at all?

Open to anyone’s interpretation then?

The liberals and progressives would certainly say so. However, traditional orthodox Christians would stand by what the word of the Bible tells them.

Open to anyone’s interpretation then?

*Is a divorced woman an adulterer if she remarries?
Should a wife be totally subservient to her husband?
Can't a case be argued that the rules which were relevant 2000+ years ago, no longer are?*

Some traditionalists would argue that the Pauline view remains correct and that Biblically a woman ( or man ) who divorces is an adulterer. Marriage is a lifelong union of a man and a woman by definition.

I am the one to be confused now, re the Matthew/eunuchs thing.

You should be confused. It was not relevant unless you want to find some interpretation for it. It was the same as the Isiah quote I responded to.

You could though argue that homosexuals need to behave as eunuchs and forgo their sexual inclinations and attractions for the sake of the Kingdom ( as eunuchs had to)

Sadly Abbey, we will never know.

I have often wondered why Jesus asked( or was expected by God to ask ) his disciples to leave their families & their responsibilities & wander around hippie style with him? Not actually a good example to set. Who looked after their discarded families? No welfare system then, obviously this is slightly tongue in cheek but seriously he didn’t always set a good example did he ?

I am not sure that was the case. Now this is something of an interpretation where the Bible ( new Testament) is somewhat silent, but we do know that Jesus had a group of followers. It may well be that these men did not leave their families behind destitute but rather the families went with them.

Certainly in early Christian communities families were well looked after within the communities including widows and others .

What a strange thing to think, how did you come to that conclusion ?

Annibach ? I don’t believe any of it, as far as I’m concerned live & let live as long as you don’t harm anyone else ,!

I would like to tell Paul where to stick his rules.

Bridgeit you believe no married man should join the army, work in emergency medical teams, work for Medicins
Sans Frontieres ?