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Cliff Richard for example

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annep Sun 02-Dec-18 08:46:30

Just reading an article on how Cliff Richard has spoken about the profound effect Christianity has had on his life. What I don't understand is how he thinks its ok to charge so much for his concerts when he has more than enough money. Many of his fans can't afford to go. It doesn't seem very Christian to me.

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 13:44:11

Of course everyone should be paid a proper amount for work. I'm not disputing that. But to finance a luxury lifestyle, by overcharging fans by so much is wrong in my book for anyone to do.
And I expect Christians to think differently. I didnt object to Cliff earning money, just to charging too much. I do not dislike him. I had every sympathy with him in recent events.
But I am obviously in a minority of one.

I don't have a cleaner Janeainsworth. I have been discussing it and am amazed that many friends think its ok to pay minimum wage which we know isnt enough. I hadn't thought any further. Thanks for your useful reply.

SueDonim Sun 02-Dec-18 13:46:54

I wouldn't want to go and see Cliff Richards but £100 a ticket doesn't seem to be unusual nowadays.

Leonard Cohen hit the road again because most of his money had been stolen by his unscrupulous manager and he needed to make ends meet. I for one was very grateful for that as I was able to see him live, it was a wonderful evening.

We also forget that these 'old' performers are still being rediscovered by new generations who might want to see them perform live, even if their voices aren't in the shape they were 20/30/40 years ago.

Both of my young daughters came to see Leonard Cohen with me and they loved what they heard. Likewise, we all went to see Fleetwood Mac - what a performance from a bunch of oldies!

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 14:07:05

I've been to see him 3 times SueDonim. I have loved him for many years. I think it was too much to charge and stopped going. Especially after a concert was cancelled at short notice - not his fault - managements fault but I still think some compensation could have been offered as well as ticket refund.. I expected more from him and was disappointed.

Anniebach Sun 02-Dec-18 14:07:30

annep. I don’t understand why you believe he should charge less because he is a Christian. I can understand you saying you think £100 is too high a price for a ticket to see a singer but not it’s too high a price because the singer is a Christian

Elegran Sun 02-Dec-18 14:10:59

True, Annie If £100 is too much for a Christian to charge it is equally too much for anyone else to charge.

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Dec-18 14:11:01

^ I don’t understand why you believe he should charge less because he is a Christian.^
Me neither really, sorry; because he is a Christian he may want to keep making money in order to support his charitable causes.
I don't think £100 is more than other artists charge - in fact probably quite a bit less.
Rather like house prices - your house is only worth what someone is willing to pay! If the concerts sell out then the ticket price is not too high.

maryeliza54 Sun 02-Dec-18 14:15:41

I’m with ab on this. The price charged for his concerts I don’t think are anything to do with his Christianity. He’s open about his Christianity so if I heard he’d treated staff at his concerts badly for example ( which obvs I’ve never heard) I’d think that could be criticised. We live in a market economy and artists can charge whatever they want (and do). Why not?

Elegran Sun 02-Dec-18 14:16:16

Bringing the conversation down to much lesser prices - If the going rate for a ticket to see an ordinary and unknown singer were £15, should one to see an ordinary unknown Christian singer cost £7.50?

A famous Christian pop star whose concerts cost many thousands of pounds to stage is worth the same to see as an equally famous atheist pop star.

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Dec-18 14:17:33

He's not that well off in comparison to some:
According to the annual Sunday Times Rich List the 77-year-old icon was worth £58m in 2016.
The three-time winner of The Sun's "Male Pop Personality" of the year award came 41st in the list of the UK's 50 richest musicians.
Englebert Humperdinck (£70m), Gary Barlow (£75m), and Sting (£185m) all came higher.
The list was topped by Sir Paul McCartney who is worth an eye-watering £760m.

Apologies, against my better judgement, that was from the Sun, 27th November 2018
(I didn't buy it)

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 14:20:05

Actually many people think ticket prices are much too high - google it.

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 14:22:14

Christians are followers of Christ and his teachings.

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Dec-18 14:23:34

I wouldn't pay to see Paul McCartney nowadays (although I did see him in 1962; he was good in those days).

Anniebach Sun 02-Dec-18 14:26:47

Right, so I as a Christian should settle for lower pay than those who are not Christians for doing the same job?

Anniebach Sun 02-Dec-18 14:30:18

So how is he not following the teachings of Christ? If you mean give all that you have to the poor then I confess I too fail on this

SueDonim Sun 02-Dec-18 14:32:17

That's your right, Annep, to not go to see him any more. As others are saying, I don't see why his tickets should be priced any differently to any other pop star simply because he's a Christian.

The cancellation must have been annoying, the same happened to me when the Leonard Cohen concert I was going to was changed, which involved return flights for three of us, but I didn't expect compensation.

People do complain about ticket prices but then people complain about the price of any-and-everything! A visit to the cinema costs upwards of £10.50 nowadays and even amateur performances in my locality are upwards of £15 a ticket.

maryeliza54 Sun 02-Dec-18 14:38:14

Nice logical argument ab you tell ‘em. I’m not wanting to deflect or be goady( given the nature of this particular forum) but I get equally fed up with the argument that you can’t be genuinely left wing and comfortably off or - perish the thought - drink champagne. There are plenty of moral principles that Christians and left wing people both share and should follow but being paid less than non Christians or right wing people isn’t one of them. It’s easy to be judgey isn’t it about those who have principles that they try within the limits of their fallibility to follow

paddyann Sun 02-Dec-18 14:53:36

I wouldn't go see him either,never been a fan but I have no problems with his ticket prices although maybe he could give decent reductions for older folk who have been following him for decades .I rarely go to concerts where the artists are older ,I like to find fresh talent
.The exception was the late John Martyn who we saw just weeks before he died ,gone was the young golden haired boy I saw when I was 17 and in his place an old man with one leg ,a massive weight problem and an addiction to alcohol ,easily explained the bottle by his side.
However when he opened his mouth to sing the magic was still there and the entire room was in awe .We were lucky to see him in a small venue with around a hundred people, no frills and only his usual band so tickets were less than £50 a head ,but I'd have paid 10 times that for the memory of seeing him after all those years.Made even better by being able to chat to him in the interval and after the concert was over.

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 15:09:26

I didn't object to anyone being comfortably off Maryeliza. But good point about judgement and fallibility. Paddyann good point about reductions too.

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 15:13:02

Suedonim you are very tolerant. I would be extremely annoyed if I had bought a ticket and paid for flights. Unless there was a very good reason like illness. In the instance I quote management had made a mistake and booked Cohen on a Jewish feast day. They should have compensated imo. Badly done.

SueDonim Sun 02-Dec-18 15:17:47

Maybe that was the same concert, Annep , as it was the clash with a Jewish festival that changed our tickets. We were able to use our flights in the end but it meant we had to change a lot of the other arrangements around them.

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Dec-18 15:20:43

I used to go to see his films when I was about 13 or 14.

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 16:21:00

I'm glad you salvaged some of it Suedonim ?. ( sorry we're off thread here everyone). If you haven't seen it his appearance on Isle of Wight is available on youtube. Cohen is a special person.

annep Sun 02-Dec-18 16:26:41

Anniebach I'm talking about overcharging. Is if ok to be a ticket tout then. Surely if people are willing to pay....
Anyway, I am glad to hear other views. And I shall think it through. Thats what I like about Gransnet - getting other viewpoints. Thanks everyone ?

Anniebach Sun 02-Dec-18 16:36:45

annep. I am sorry we disagreed but I realy don’t understand how you can accuse the man of overcharging, do we not have the right to decide what salary we are worth ,if no one will employ us then we can accept we ask too much, if his concert is not a sell out he will need to charge less or settle for less ticket sales

maryeliza54 Sun 02-Dec-18 16:50:44

You can’t overcharge in a market economy - supply and demand. It causes huge problems but governments do legislate in some cases to limit price increases .