Prince Andrew and the Moral Law

Again - neither the authorities or the young woman said PA forced her. The investigation is into what Epstein did. There is still no reason why PA should not give a statement.

We’re not discussing me, are we? We’re discussing PA

Would you if you were the named abuser ?

What if you had been present when something illegal was happening. Even if you were unaware that a crime was being committed, you would be questioned by the authorities just in case you saw something. If that crime involved a young woman being abused - would you not feel morally obliged to make a statement?

Annijebach wrote:

"Why Only aristocrats lack moral and social education?" I did not say so.
The fact about PA is he is an aristocrat and had an aristocrat's education. something was lacking. At the very least he should not have hob -nobbed with Epstein. A PA is not a bad man but he seems to be an ignorant one.

State schools do teach moral and social education with varying results I would hope expensive public schoolswould make an even better job of moral and social ed.

Morality annie morality. Doing the right thing morally and not acting in your own best self interest. You’d think on his frequent jaunts to church with his mother that he might have the opportunity to reflect on the difference.

Or advised not to give a statement

And unwillingness to give a witness statement.

Why Only aristocrats lack moral and social education?

This thread is on the religious/spirituality forum..Rather than discuss points of law ( which in many cases have nothing to do with morality at all) it would be nice if PA’s fan club could bring themselves to question the lack of moral probity manifest in his choice of friends, partying, lifestyle and the preponderance of young women present therein. Not to mention the lack of moral awareness shown in his car crash of an interview and failure to express any sympathy for any of his friends victims.

Anniebach She said she was groomed by Epstein and expected to have sex with men. At no time has she said PA forced her to have sex.

I still can't see a reason why he would not give a statement to the authorities

A man the age and sophistication of Epstein should not have seduced any young girl ,especially a young girl from a much poorer background.

Same goes for Prince Andrew. A man of his wealth and power should have regard to the safety and welfare of young girls especially if they are a lot poorer and less powerful than himself. If as is sometime alleged , PA did have sex with a vulnerable young woman, I feel strongly he would have done so because he was under the impression it was ethically okay to do so.
It is quite important to find out if young aristocrats lack moral and social education at some of these well known schools they attend.

There were 20 photographs. She gave them to a photographer and he chose the PA one.
The programme claimed a redacted court document shows she gave 20 photos to the FBI, which were scanned front and back. But only 19 photos were shown in the publicly available documents. Panorama had been told two missing reference numbers related to the Andrew photo, and that it was removed from the public document to protect his privacy.

Freelance photographer Michael Thomas, who first copied the 2001 photograph, claimed it was genuine, and told Panorama he found the original in 2011 in a bundle of 20 photos Giuffre handed to him from her travels with Epstein and Maxwell.
Trying to blame the woman is unhelpful.
Morally of course PA should be willing to give a statement but when on earth has morality had much to do with the Royal family?

Did she not say Epstein forced her to have sex ? She said she felt ashamed and horrified after .

Yet kept that photograph!

Anniebach I think you are mistaken - the young woman has not accused PA of forcing her to have sex. She has said she was groomed by Epstein. I don't have a high opinion of PA but I don't believe he would ever resort to rape.

If he gave a statement his legal representatives would prevent him answering questions which could incriminate him, in any event, unless the statement is given under caution anything he says could not be used against him.

I bet he's sweating nowadays

We don’t need to prove that PA is lacking in the morality department, it’s a self evident fact.

Legally, it is wrong to ever apologise or give statements which might be used against you. PA needs to keep his mouth shut; lie low and wait for things to move on.

Anniebach but he hasn't been accused by the authorities, wouldn't giving a statement help clear things up?

It is going the rounds in legal circles that this girl is a fantasist.
We will never know the truth. You will never prove anything.

The woman who is suing claims she was forced to have sex with him , is that not being accused of a crime ?

He is being asked to give a statement as a potential witness! He would have legal representatives with him who could advise him whether he should answer a question or not. As far as I am aware he has not been accused of a crime by those investigating Epstein.

Can it not be he is taking legal advise ? And he has been accused of committing a crime

As said previously, unless PA actually stands trial and is found guilty of a crime he should be presumed innocent.

What I and many can't understand is why, as a potential witness to a crime, he has not given a statement to the investigating authority. This can be done in the UK, failure to do so merely encourages speculation as to his reasons.

We hear so often how women who have suffered sexual abuse remain silent, have therapy etc.

The woman accusing Andrew speaks of how traumatic it was
yet kept a photograph for years. She claims she was forced to
have sex with many men, she stayed on Epsteins island , no
photographs with any other man.