The Shroud of Turin

Thanks everyone for your lovely comments. I'm so pleased that you've shared your own thoughts and emotions on the Shroud, which for me have been an added blessingfor you all x

Thanks for this fascinating and moving thread Smiles.
‘The peace which passeth all understanding’ is something I remember from Sunday School and Church at different times in my life. It’s been a comfort whether in Church or out in open countryside (usually with the company of a dog or two)

I haven’t read the link Bodicea posted but I shall.

I would love to see the shroud smileless you are very blessed to have that experience.
"My peace I give you" comes to mind.

Thank you Fanny and Smileless, and thank you for starting this thread and telling us of your experience Smileless. We have experienced seeing the replica through you. I had feared there would be some unpleasant comments but there weren’t. So we are twice blessed! ?

'The peace which passeth all understanding" that's beautiful Annie and Germanshepherdsmum.

Actually I find the image totally convincing Deedaa. When I started this thread I really wasn't sure, but I am now.

The shroud is 4.3 meters long. The body was laid at one end and the cloth was folded over the body from the other end which is why there is an image of the front as well as the back.

Beautiful post GSMum

I saw the real shroud when it was put on display in 2000 (The Duomo in Turin normally displays a replica) The thing that really strikes you is how was it done? Certainly how was it done in the 12th or 13th century? Speaking as an artist I would love to know.

It's still very much an enigma, opinions vary about the age and the source of the fabric. The image isn't totally convincing if you imagine the cloth laid over a body. I believe the attitude of the church is that they don't claim it is genuine but they see it as something that can focus people's thoughts on the crucifixion.

Do you not believe in Jesus, Caleo? Those of us who do find the survival of the Shroud miraculous. It is to us physical proof of the Resurrection, and the way in which the image is believed to have been created takes my breath away. It is beyond human imagination, beyond anything modern science with all its wondrous capabilities could create. Smileless says the image of the face on the Shroud is very peaceful despite the agonising manner of death. That is very comforting, as Annie says it is the peace which passeth all understanding and surely shows death is not to be feared.

As a coffin is made for those who have been murdered , no
difference.

The Shroud is creepy. It has been made from some poor soul who has been crucified .

I thank you for starting this thread Smileless when you speak
of ‘the look of peace and serenity’ it immediately brings to
mind ‘the peace which passeth all understanding ‘

And knowing how much he suffered Annie I just can't get over the look of peace and serenity on his face.

When I started this thread I wasn't sure, but I am now.

In the 70’s The Shroud was placed on display, a film was made
and I drove up to London to see it in a hotel cinema.

I sat watching with tears streaming. Smileless I can imagine
how you felt seeing a replica.

No matter what science tells us, he suffered those wounds, he died and is risen

That's true 25Avalone but the samples that were tested were taken from the most contaminated sections of the shroud ie the corner.

There is a separate cloth which covered the face, the Sudariun of Oveido. The face cloths was placed over the head before the body was removed from the cross. It was in the tomb but not on the body in the shroud.

Jewish tradition has the blood as sacred so all blood is 'gathered'. A shroud is the name given to a cloth traditionally used to wrap the entire body.

A good link BoadciceaJones, fascinating as you say.

Thank you Boadicea. A very interesting and fascinating article which I have read in full. So no definite proof as to the dating of the shroud, not from radiocarbon anyway. Jesus said he was the light of the world. Perhaps this is additional proof of that. I am a believer whatever but it is wonderful to have the mystery restored.
Love the proper spelling of your name btw although my predictive text wasn’t so keen.

journalarchaeology.org/article/209/10.11648.j.ija.20210902.11

Try the full article - fascinating.

Radiocarbon dating shows it isn’t earlier than 1300. Additionally the traditional burial robes for Jews was cloth up to the shoulders and a separate cloth or napkin for the head which is bourn out in the biblical references. So no I don’t think it’s genuine but still fascinating and very mysterious as well as being very old and miraculously surviving all these years.

Thanks Smiles

It is a copy as opposed to being the real thing crazyH. I've no idea how they're made but the one we have on display was gently placed on a copy, which had been gently placed on the original.

It is very moving Germanshepherdsmum and seeing the replica for the first time on Saturday moved me to tears. I posted earlier that scientists believe the original image was made by an intense and powerful light source which they cannot explain.

The Resurrection would explain that perhaps

I believe it to be the actual shroud of Jesus. There is no explanation as to how the image on it could have been created by man. To me it is proof of the Resurrection. I would love to see it or a replica. I think it would be a very moving experience.

Smiles, you are lucky and blessed to see it. Wish our church would have a similar exhibition. What do you mean by a ‘replica’ of the Shroud? Just curious, that’s all …

Thank you for your reply, Smileless

Despite being studied extensively including research by NASA scientists, no one has been able to explain how the image was left on the shroud MamaCaz.

It isn't a painting or a print. One explanation is that it was produced by a great source of light, but there's nothing to explain where this light source came from.

"Proof for the Doubting Thomas' of the nuclear age, maybe" yes, maybe BoadiceaJones.
When the first photographs were taken of it, in black and white, the photographer when he began developing his pictures was amazed that they show far more detail and the image is in 3D

Genuine question: even if it dates from the right period in time, what leads people to think that it is the shroud of Jesus as opposed to that of another person who had been crucified?

I read about the shroud many years ago, but don't recall the reason(s).

I've been fascinated by the Shroud for many years, and read extensively about it. There is some pretty compelling evidence that it is genuinely of the time and place claimed. The particular form of weaving was the standard work of the 1st cent Near East, the pollen of uniquely N.E. plants, the scourging by the brutal double-headed Roman lead whip-ends, unknown until recent archaeological finds, the crucifixion nails through the space of Destot, in the wrists, rather than the hands, the hairstyle, with a pigtail at the back, as worn by Jews of the period...so many more little details never depicted in the art of the 13th cent onwards. Without a doubt, the man in the shroud was actually crucified, as the minutiae of his injuries proves. It's either the cleverest fake ever created, using knowledge unknown until recently, or it's genuine. Proof for the Doubting Thomases of the nuclear age, maybe?