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What do the Romans tell us about the fragility and contingency of our own civilisation?

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Baggs Sat 08-Jul-23 12:47:26

I've put this in the religion/spirituality forum because of the stress in the concluding question and answers section of the interview, where the immense importance of Christianity's influence on moral ideas becomes apparent. It's fascinating from a historical point of view as well.

The discussion is between Fraser Nelson and Tom Holland and largely about Holland's new book Pax, which is about the Roman Empire and its emperors. The discussion of the book's ideas and the Q&A session are fascinating.

You can listen or read the transcript:
unherd.com/2023/07/the-depravity-of-the-roman-peace/

Baggs Sat 08-Jul-23 12:49:43

Apologies!!! It's Freddie Sayers, not Fraser Nelson.

Grandmabatty Sat 08-Jul-23 12:55:02

I like reading Tom Holland's work. Thank you for bringing this to my attention

eazybee Sat 08-Jul-23 16:13:53

Thank you Baggs, very interesting.; I've read his 'Dynasty' and enjoyed it.
The decline and fall of the Roman empire has parallels for our time, I think. The empire expanded, Rome was flooded with citizens from all over the known world bringing many different religions, which resulted in people devaluing all; cults and perversions tolerated, then suddenly the Goths were at the gates, Rome fell and the Dark Ages began.

Not quite as simple as that , but definite similarities.

Stormystar Wed 26-Jul-23 08:27:21

Thanks Baggs after reading the article I’m going to get the book; some very insightful information, thus far my only comments could be that truly there is nothing new under the sun. It’s only our mindsets, interpretation and perspective that alters, within the human hearts lies both the darkness and the light, we are all capable of being the monster and/or the angel, determined by our choices and our individual human fragilities.