Britain is as Bad ,or Worse than ,Israel: British Oppression

I could not agree to any apology for things that happened in the past, it wasn’t anything to do with me or mine. We have so many ancestors who died in the workhouse, where are my apologies and reparations?

Oreo

I think he was right not to apologise in that way.It was a complicated conflict and wrong done by both sides.
What some countries want after an apology is really money
People involved in Kenya at that time are gone now.
How far back do people want to go with historical apologies?

Well said.

I'm not always proud of British history, and have been made to feel very guilty on occasions when traveling, but I think the demand for 'compensation' takes the sincerity away from any apology,

The majority of Countries on Earth would have to pay out for past crimes.

African countries would abduct from neighbouring countries and sell for slaves.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny my parents left the U.K. when they disagreed with the policies of the Government of the time.

They relocated to Europe, payed their taxes to that Country. My sibling was schooled from Primary through to Secondary and left with European qualifications.

I commuted between two Countries with children whilst working.

Nobody in my family is a fascist!

Some leave some stay to fight and try to change policies. I wouldn't deny your relaties the right to leave, I wonder why you feel you have the right to tell someone they should leave?

Glorianny I wouldn’t presume to tell anybody where to live or what to think.

My Family returned to the U.K. when they thought it was the right time.

Sometimes family has to be uppermost, politicians and their policies changes with the wind.

GrannyGravy13

If I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do Glorianny I would relocate.

Sorry isn't this telling me I should leave?

It’s all in the interpretation.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny my parents left the U.K. when they disagreed with the policies of the Government of the time.

They relocated to Europe, payed their taxes to that Country. My sibling was schooled from Primary through to Secondary and left with European qualifications.

I commuted between two Countries with children whilst working.

Nobody in my family is a fascist!

Some leave some stay to fight and try to change policies. I wouldn't deny your relaties the right to leave, I wonder why you feel you have the right to tell someone they should leave?

I wonder why you feel you have the right to tell someone they should leave?

No-one did.

I wouldn’t move to China, Russia, Venezuela or any other Country which I couldn’t believe in their modus operandi

If the policy of the U.K. government was so far removed from my personal ethics I couldn’t pay my taxes to support it.

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

The twisting of what posters say is really creative.

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Yes but Glorianny, it’s such fun to watch you do it. And in time honoured tradition, you opted not to answer my question.

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

I do often wonder whether other European countries that had empires, beat themselves up about it as much as Britain does. France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal….

I agree with Oreo et al - very few nations histories are without shame, but we have to learn to live with each other now, or the bitterness corrodes future harmony.
I am a Christian but would not like to be held responsible for the many terrible atrocities done in the name of Christianity over the years.

Whilst Britain is our country, it is somewhat random to hold up our colonial past and expect mea culpas from the present generation. Most of Europe have subjugated other nations, and those nations themselves will have stratas within their own societies who have traded and trampled over their own people. I remember being in Mexico and a Mexican courier telling a party of us whilst being ushering around a Mayan site "we've never really forgiven the Spanish for what they did to us" Google the French involvement in Algeria, Indochine or The Belgians in The Congo for a couple of examples, none of us covered ourselves in glory.....but we live in the now, when appallingly there are more enslaved people than there ever were, imo energies would be better directed towards bringing an end to that!

Totally agree with Witzend, Chocolatelovinggran and TerriBull

As far as reparations are concerned this could be a never ending merry go round that would trigger all sorts of demands. There are countries that were occupied by Germany, in particular Greece and Poland who have recently voiced that Germany's compensations for atrocities and piliging were way too megre. It could be argued they have a point, but equally those amounts could bring about financial ruin which I'm not sure would benefit anyone As far as Britain is concerned we contribute more than others in aid, some of which unfortunately gets misappropriated and doesn't reach those who really need it. It's been mooted how many centuries do we go back in addressing national misdemeanours. Likea pack of cards collapsing, in the end most of the world would be culpable for sins of their past. Do we then get on to personal histories, such as, for example,an ancestor was mowed down at The Peterloo Massacre, A Tollpuddle Martyr, Press ganged, victims,transported, exploited? A can of worms imo. Life was pretty awful for so many not so long ago.

And the Aboriginals - we have apologised to them for things done hundreds of years ago by people very few are descended from. Most people who came here in the early days simply didn’t want to come here. Only a few were involved in dreadful massacres but we are all responsible apparently. Some of my ancestors had their lands confiscated because of their religion- maybe I should seek an apology and reparation?

Witzend

I do often wonder whether other European countries that had empires, beat themselves up about it as much as Britain does. France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal….

Don't forget the Ottoman Empire which ruled Palestine for centuries

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

I never resort to pointing out posters grammatical errors.

If it makes you feel better and/or superior so be it.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

What an unkind ending to your post. Shame on you, Glorianny.

When all else fails, and you've been shown up, make a spiteful put down post about someone's grammar or comprehension. I notice Glorianny never felt the need to correct granny's misspelling of Palestine in repeated posts.
Is that a misplaced full stop between implies you mean. I should do so. ?

I endorse Glorianny: "I wondered about him not apologising. I think I heard the reason was because the atrocities were not committed by this generation. But weren't the atrocities committed in the name of the state? And doesn't Charles represent the state? So any apology would not be a personal one but one on behalf of the state which does not change from one generation to the next but is a constant. He should have apologised and reparation should be made."

I 't's a pity the King as monarch is not permitted to express our moral duty as a sovereign state to make reparations for injustices. These injustices are ongoing in Kenya. Some of the most fertile lands in Kenya stolen from indigenous peoples and we Brits today benefit financially from these immoral possessions. Also our former empire made Britain wealthy and such wealth as this old country has today comes from old investments in stolen lands.
I always liked Prince Charles as was ,and feel that in a way it is a pity he became constitutionally subject to the government.