Britain is as Bad ,or Worse than ,Israel: British Oppression

Nothing wrong with my values, if I make an error I apologise, wouldn’t expect my AC, GC, GGC etc to be held responsible and have to compensate for any alleged wrongdoing.

If reparations are going to be paid by one Country, then they should be paid by all. It could keep human rights lawyers in business, then again shouldn’t they be improving the here and now as opposed to focusing on the past…

GrannyGravy13

Portugal was the most prolific European slave trading nation, transporting millions to Brazil.

African Nations sold their own people, perhaps they should be paying reparations?

So it's come down to It wasn't just us it was them as well!
Aren't we supposed to have better values?

Portugal was the most prolific European slave trading nation, transporting millions to Brazil.

African Nations sold their own people, perhaps they should be paying reparations?

Nana8 wrote: And the Aboriginals - we have apologised to them for things done hundreds of years ago by people very few are descended from. Most people who came here in the early days simply didn’t want to come here. Only a few were involved in dreadful massacres but we are all responsible apparently. Some of my ancestors had their lands confiscated because of their religion- maybe I should seek an apology and reparation?"

Nana, none of us is responsible for any historical injustices . The injustices I speak of are happening now, in Kenya. The perpetrators are multi national companies who are the financial beneficiaries of the hugely successful British empire.

Fertile lands in Kenya, stolen long ago , are still being farmed for the profit of foreigners . Multi -national marketing works so that native labourers often subjected to dangerous working conditions and nobody is held to account.

Caleo

I endorse Glorianny:I "wondered about him not apologising. I think I heard the reason was because the atrocities were not committed by this generation. But weren't the atrocities committed in the name of the state? And doesn't Charles represent the state? So any apology would not be a personal one but one on behalf of the state which does not change from one generation to the next but is a constant. He should have apologised and reparation should be made."

The Mau Mau were hardly sweetness and light y’know.

Fairycakes

We had to purchase them from the slave owners. The owners were not just going to set them free on our say so.

You do understand that these slave owners were British and the act of 1833 made slavery illegal in Britain and her colonies. The act said they had to set them free. So what you are saying is the slave owners would have broken the law.

And remember that many English were also slaves. The Barbary pirates used to sail into coastal villages and take the inhabitants. One village lost all the males - from little boys to old men.

And no one to my knowledge has ever asked to be thanked. However, it wouldn't hurt for certain people to bear it in mind next time they want to have a go at us. If it wasn't for the English, they might still be in slavery to this day.

If one country pays reparations then doing so could possibly trigger a tsunami of similar. Some crimes against humanity such as the genocides that have been committed against various races are too overwhelming to put a price on. Reparations can break a country look what The Treaty of Versailles did to Germany and what flew out of that Pandora's Box. The King is only a figure head maybe he can publically express regret of how a previous government behaved but anything else is beyond his remit. Tony Blair was prone to apologising on behalf of the cointry for sins of the past and then his government invades another on a bogus premise. Why do so many appear to obsess over a past that cannot be changed, slavery is still a thing in many parts of the world which doesn't seem to garner the same outrage.

It's the same concept as when donkeys are mistreated abroad and charities rescue them. The charities have to compensate the owner for the loss of the animal. The owner is not simply going to hand it over freely

We had to purchase them from the slave owners. The owners were not just going to set them free on our say so.

Fairycakes

Because they were finally free.

Oh I see they were meant to say "thank you" because the people who had bought and sold them were compensated by the government and had to release them.
Isn't that a bit like stealing the family silver and expecting granny to cough up to get it back??

Because they were finally free.

LovesBach

Hear hear indeed, Baggs. Every working/tax paying person in this country helped pay the staggering debt taken on by the Government in 1823, which was finally cleared in 2015. Do we ever hear about this? Of course not. It's something far too positive about Britain.

You do know that that money did not go to the slaves, or the families of slaves, but to the slave owners who had already made fortunes through owning and trading in people. How was it positive? It did nothing for those who had been traded, enslaved, moved from their homelands and mistreated.

Hear hear indeed, Baggs. Every working/tax paying person in this country helped pay the staggering debt taken on by the Government in 1823, which was finally cleared in 2015. Do we ever hear about this? Of course not. It's something far too positive about Britain.

I endorse Glorianny:I "wondered about him not apologising. I think I heard the reason was because the atrocities were not committed by this generation. But weren't the atrocities committed in the name of the state? And doesn't Charles represent the state? So any apology would not be a personal one but one on behalf of the state which does not change from one generation to the next but is a constant. He should have apologised and reparation should be made."

Fairycakes

What about reparations for the families who lost husbands and sons, fighting on the high seas to stop slavery. I don't think we owe anybody anything. Our country put an end to slavery at a massive financial cost, which we have only recently paid off. England is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Hear, hear.

What about reparations for the families who lost husbands and sons, fighting on the high seas to stop slavery. I don't think we owe anybody anything. Our country put an end to slavery at a massive financial cost, which we have only recently paid off. England is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

I never resort to pointing out posters grammatical errors.

If it makes you feel better and/or superior so be it.

Not superior, it just mildly amuses me.
I'll freely admit, it is shallow.
But I only sink to low levels when that seems to be the way the thread is going. Denying responsibility for something isn't something I do.

I endorse Glorianny: "I wondered about him not apologising. I think I heard the reason was because the atrocities were not committed by this generation. But weren't the atrocities committed in the name of the state? And doesn't Charles represent the state? So any apology would not be a personal one but one on behalf of the state which does not change from one generation to the next but is a constant. He should have apologised and reparation should be made."

I 't's a pity the King as monarch is not permitted to express our moral duty as a sovereign state to make reparations for injustices. These injustices are ongoing in Kenya. Some of the most fertile lands in Kenya stolen from indigenous peoples and we Brits today benefit financially from these immoral possessions. Also our former empire made Britain wealthy and such wealth as this old country has today comes from old investments in stolen lands.
I always liked Prince Charles as was ,and feel that in a way it is a pity he became constitutionally subject to the government.

When all else fails, and you've been shown up, make a spiteful put down post about someone's grammar or comprehension. I notice Glorianny never felt the need to correct granny's misspelling of Palestine in repeated posts.
Is that a misplaced full stop between implies you mean. I should do so. ?

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

What an unkind ending to your post. Shame on you, Glorianny.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

I never resort to pointing out posters grammatical errors.

If it makes you feel better and/or superior so be it.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

The phrase could have been
"If I disagreed with a country's past and present ethics I would leave"- the "as much as you do" is a personal reference that implies you mean. I should do so.

Perhaps you didn't mean it. I can accept that. Perhaps you don't understand implication just as you don't understand apostrophes and plurals.

Witzend

I do often wonder whether other European countries that had empires, beat themselves up about it as much as Britain does. France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal….

Don't forget the Ottoman Empire which ruled Palestine for centuries