Britain is as Bad ,or Worse than ,Israel: British Oppression

The Mau Mau terrorised ordinary Kenyans too, as well as people of British origin.
Hailed now as freedom fighters but their massacres are horribly echoed today in the recent massacre in Israel.

That's strange because only 32 British died
The number killed in the uprising is a subject of much controversy. Officially the number of Mau Mau and other rebels killed was 11,000, including 1,090 convicts hanged by the British administration. Just 32 white settlers were killed in the eight years of emergency.

However, unofficial figures suggest a much larger number were killed in the counter-insurgency campaign.

The Kenya Human Rights Commission has said 90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed during the crackdown, and 160,000 were detained in appalling conditions

Some of the tortures were horrible, women were raped and men were castrated.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12997138

Callistemon21

The Mau Mau terrorised ordinary Kenyans too, as well as people of British origin.
Hailed now as freedom fighters but their massacres are horribly echoed today in the recent massacre in Israel.

Only the British are singled out for a good old telling off by some tho.Apologise! Pay up! 😄

Callistemon21

The Mau Mau terrorised ordinary Kenyans too, as well as people of British origin.
Hailed now as freedom fighters but their massacres are horribly echoed today in the recent massacre in Israel.

Well that's OK then they deserved to be tortured and hanged, starved, held in camps, raped and castrated.
The British actions were like Hamas as well.

Yes I have heard of the Mau Mau . British propaganda the time allowed only one sided accounts of the Kenyan struggle for independence .

The reason for the Government's propaganda was that Kenya's rich agriculture was profitable for British financial interests and investments. I was uninformed and easily fooled by establishment propaganda. It seems many other Grans here were likewise misinformed .

Caleo

Yes I have heard of the Mau Mau . British propaganda the time allowed only one sided accounts of the Kenyan struggle for independence .

The reason for the Government's propaganda was that Kenya's rich agriculture was profitable for British financial interests and investments. I was uninformed and easily fooled by establishment propaganda. It seems many other Grans here were likewise misinformed .

My friend was born and grew up there until they fled.

Beautiful country, beautiful people, we were fortunate to spend a month in Kenya at end of 2019.

I remember reports about the Mau Mau. They murdered, raped and burnt things down. Not a nice bunch at all. Funny how history changes perceptions. I am certain the British weren’t lily white, either but it isn’t a case of brave, fearless freedom fighters being tortured for their beliefs, there’s more to it than that.

nanna8

I remember reports about the Mau Mau. They murdered, raped and burnt things down. Not a nice bunch at all. Funny how history changes perceptions. I am certain the British weren’t lily white, either but it isn’t a case of brave, fearless freedom fighters being tortured for their beliefs, there’s more to it than that.

No one is changing perceptions.
32 British people were killed.
90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed
News reports at the time were incredibly biased.

Glorianny

nanna8

I remember reports about the Mau Mau. They murdered, raped and burnt things down. Not a nice bunch at all. Funny how history changes perceptions. I am certain the British weren’t lily white, either but it isn’t a case of brave, fearless freedom fighters being tortured for their beliefs, there’s more to it than that.

No one is changing perceptions.
32 British people were killed.
90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed
News reports at the time were incredibly biased.

As is your post, Glorianny!

You failed to mention that thousands of the Kenyans were killed by the Mau Mau.

Callistemon21

Glorianny

nanna8

I remember reports about the Mau Mau. They murdered, raped and burnt things down. Not a nice bunch at all. Funny how history changes perceptions. I am certain the British weren’t lily white, either but it isn’t a case of brave, fearless freedom fighters being tortured for their beliefs, there’s more to it than that.

No one is changing perceptions.
32 British people were killed.
90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed
News reports at the time were incredibly biased.

As is your post, Glorianny!

You failed to mention that thousands of the Kenyans were killed by the Mau Mau.

They were
And the first president of Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta, was a member of the Mau Mau.

Glorianny wrote:

"Let's be clear about the apology that was being asked for. It was not for slavery. It was for the actions of the British in the 1950s when a Kenyan group trying to gain independence (named the Mau-Mau by us) were wrongfully imprisoned, tortured and killed by the British.
I remember the news when I was a child. This was a dreadful period in the history of Kenya and the King should have apologised. He may not have been Head of State but his mother was. And the apology is not personal it is for the actions of the British state.
www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/31/king-charles-asked-for-unequivocal-apology-by-kenya-human-rights-commission#:~: "

I agree. but ' I'd go further and say an apology is more than words ; it's actions. Kenyans of the labouring class are to this day employed by inheritors of colonial exploitation.

Social class difference takes many forms, world wide, and always did. There was never a golden age and never will be, until socialism is foremost in men's intentions.

I thought this thread was part of a subject about religion and who do I find? Why the lefties like Glorianny giving it large about reparations etc. is there nowhere free of these left wing socialists? I believe in Free Speech but like to find a section of GRANSNET they do not visit. Luckily, these people are a minority (maybe not in Scotland) Oh well maybe we can convert the non believers!

Anniel, even Caleo an atheist, admires and loves the reasonnng of Jesus:

Mathew 19:23-24 — Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”23 Apr 2021

Anniel you do understand that Socialism was founded on CHRISTIAN principles .Standards that are sadly lacking in right wing politics where the rich get richer and the poor dont count .Scotlands government is thankfully a bit more left leaning than the rest of the UK we care what happens to the poorest .Thats why our child payment is being lauded by childrens charities accross the UK and young people are being given the chance of a decent education without a huge debt at the end of it oh and free travel while they are in education or training and earning very little.

Anniel

I thought this thread was part of a subject about religion and who do I find? Why the lefties like Glorianny giving it large about reparations etc. is there nowhere free of these left wing socialists? I believe in Free Speech but like to find a section of GRANSNET they do not visit. Luckily, these people are a minority (maybe not in Scotland) Oh well maybe we can convert the non believers!

I thought this thread was about the King, our head of state and also head of the Commonwealth apologising to the people who suffered when this country controlled their country and abused, tortured and killed thousands of people simply because they wanted independence. You would imagine that if he was concerned with Commonwealth relationships he would want to do so.

For 10 years I campaigned with many to save Capel Celyn, we failed to save it,England had spoken. 59 years later an apology was extended to the villagers by Liverpool council, didn’t mean a thing , how could an apology from the King take away the harm caused. Shallow words

Why is there all this negativity about the British Empire? There were many benefits too....and don't forget the other countries which ruled a piece of Africa....Germany, Portugal, Belgium, France.
I used to live in Kenya and the local people gained a great deal from our presence in the country.
So many Africans have moved to Britain, adopted our lifestyle, given their children European names, so obviously they admire us and want to emulate us. Yet all we hear is negativity.

I agree curtaintwitcher one of our AC lived in Kenya, it really appears to be a national occupation to run down the U.K. along with its past and present achievements.

Human history is a history of invasions, empires, movements of people and exploitation - and still is. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the situation in the middle east, and I do not jsut mean the Israel/Hamas conflict, Myanmarand many other countries have internecine conflicts.

When we look at many of these colonised countries today, are they governed any better now than they were when they were ?run by colonisers. Are their natural resources less exploited for the benefit of ruling elites.

We spend too much time these days bemoanng the past and reinforcing the oppressed in their oppression by constantly telling them how oppressed they are, how hopeless their future is, when what we should be doing is putting the past behind us, and encouraging people to make the most of what they do have, what opportunities there are and the possibility of change and opening doors.

Many of us had parents or grandparents who grew up in disadvantaged circumstances and if we are well eductaed and well off it is because they or us, decided birth is not destiny and grabbed the opportunities that came our way and made the most of them.

Instead of bemoaning the past let us instead open peoples eyes to the opportunties that lie ahead and help them take what is available and make more.

Yes, I agree with that. More powerful nations have oppressed and invaded other weaker nations since time began and nothing changes there. We are worse now because the weapons available kill so many more and are much more indiscriminate than in the old days of bows and arrows and horses. I’ve always wondered how the second atomic bomb was justified.

I have never understood the apologising idea, OP. It's like me apologising for what the person who lived in my house a hundred years ago did. You cannot "apologise" for others actions unless you were in a position of responsibility over them. We were, in many cases not even born!

We can and have regretted the way others have behaved and we can show how we intend to act if we are now we in the position of responsibility. But apologise - no. It isn't ours to do. Some might benefit from looking up the meaning of the word apologise.

So how many more countries have tried to keep their influence by converting their empire into a Commonwealth? The point is that if this country wants to keep a good relationship with Kenya and maintain this "family" of countries shouldn't we at least give them what they ask for.

Glorianny The Commonwealth is a voluntary organisation where countries have come and gone and where countries like Cameroun, which were never British colonies have joined.

As to 'who else' Ever had a look at the relationship between France and its ex-colonies? Some have been made part of France and send MPs to their Parliament. Did you notice that in the recent revolt in Niger, they through all the French out? the French have a very strong presence still in almost all their ex colonies. Then of course there is the USA.......................

Blimey DaisyAnneReturns I agree with you once again 😱

Monica I agree with your post also 👍