The Bishop of Washington - her address today.

Claremont

Which is why I wrote 'grand-parents'.

Thanks for that Claremont I've just read about his Bavarian grandparents.. interesting

pascal30

Claremont

Which is why I wrote 'grand-parents'.

Thanks for that Claremont I've just read about his Bavarian grandparents.. interesting

His grandfather allegedly made his fortune running a brothel at the goldfields.

So back to the Kirch, that could well come from the Scottish kirk too!
Unless we're talking about Kirsch because the German grandparents were wine growers I think.

I'd better check the wine bit I heard somewhere!

escaped

So back to the Kirch, that could well come from the Scottish kirk too!
Unless we're talking about Kirsch because the German grandparents were wine growers I think.

I think Great X 3 or 4 Grandparents were the wine growers.

Donald Trump’s international origins make him relatively unusual among American presidents. Of the last 10 presidents, only two—Trump and Barack Obama—have had a parent born outside of the United States. Trump’s own immediate family has been similarly international: Two of his three wives became naturalized American citizens, originally from the Czech Republic and Slovenia. Only one of his five children, Tiffany, is the child of two American-born citizens, while his daughter, Ivanka, is the first Jewish member of the First Family in American history.
www.history.com/news/donald-trump-father-mother-ancestry
Interesting.

Thanks.
Trump doesn't touch alcohol. He's teetotal. His brother sadly died young from alcoholism.

All the fuss could have been avoided if Trump and friends had simply said, well, I really disagree, but she's entitled to a different POV, and dropped it.

I hope it will be a light in the dark for others. The prospect especially of families being torn apart (because children of undocumented long term workers are citizens of USA but parents aren't) is appalling. I was telling a non political friend about this today and she couldn't believe anyone could do this.

Wyllow3

All the fuss could have been avoided if Trump and friends had simply said, well, I really disagree, but she's entitled to a different POV, and dropped it.

I hope it will be a light in the dark for others. The prospect especially of families being torn apart (because children of undocumented long term workers are citizens of USA but parents aren't) is appalling. I was telling a non political friend about this today and she couldn't believe anyone could do this.

Yes, it could.

But he appears to be a man who does not like criticism or to be thwarted.

I don’t think being woke equates to compassion. Obviously others do and thats fine.
The Bishop is married and has children, I only assumed she was transgender, However, I did not like her address, others did .
Lots of women like and voted for Trump which I do not understand as he wants to take their rights away.

As I have said elsewhere I consider woke men in particular as generally deeply sexist and often very aggressive to women who disagree with them. Woke means different things to different people.

Allsorts

I don’t think being woke equates to compassion. Obviously others do and thats fine.
The Bishop is married and has children, I only assumed she was transgender, However, I did not like her address, others did .
Lots of women like and voted for Trump which I do not understand as he wants to take their rights away.

The Bishop wasn't being woke whatever woke means.

She was being compassionate and asking that Trump shows compassion to all.

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I think the Bishop is admirable. The Emperors New Clothes came to mind

They are not Bavarian . They are from the Rhein-Palatinate . The wine region . His descendants there want nothing to do with him .

The internet is now full of Americans saying that the Bishop is an embarrassment to Christianity. I don't think some of them have ever read any further than the Old Testament. She didn't say anything that you won't find in the teachings of the New Testament. I just worry about her safety now.

And also people supporting her.

Brave lady, and what a great time to question the fundamental moralities of key Trump policies.

Good short article in the Guardian 4 hours ago with critics and supporters and more about the bishop, who has ctiticed Trump before apparently. almost certainly he/MAGA would have known what was coming so disingenuous.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/trump-bishop-mariann-edgar-budde

Claremont

RosiesMaw2

Whitewavemark2

Kinder, Kuche, Kirch.

Kinder, Küche, Kirche

Trumps grandparents were Bavarian- so Whitewave's version is probably more correct.

{sigh}
The saying is Kinder, Küche, Kirche as the poster clearly shows. The words Kuche and Kirch do not exist .
Trumps Bavarian ancestors (grandfather Friedrich) or Scottish grandmother (Mary Anne MacLeod) have no bearing on accurate German etymology or spelling .
Alas there is no connection with the cherry liqueur Kirsch but yes, Kirche (German) Kerk (Dutch) Kirk (Danish) are all connected and have the same root Kirkja (Old Norse)

Syracute

They are not Bavarian . They are from the Rhein-Palatinate . The wine region . His descendants there want nothing to do with him .

Johannes Trump, born in the nearby village Bobenheim am Berg in 1789, had established himself by the early 1830s as a winegrower in Kallstadt where his grandson, Friedrich Trump, the grandfather of Donald Trump, was born in 1869 (then part of the Kingdom of Bavaria )
Wikipedia

Yes, Bavaria at the time.

Allira how do you know the Bishop wasn't being woke when as you say "whatever woke means". It's done with.

Galaxy

As I have said elsewhere I consider woke men in particular as generally deeply sexist and often very aggressive to women who disagree with them. Woke means different things to different people.

If everyone used the definition of “woke” which in its original context means “awake and aware of social justice” which is how I, and many others use it, there would be no confusion.

Being “woke” is not an insult to many of us, it’s just typical that the expression has been hijacked, mainly by the right, to use as a stick with which to beat “liberals/lefties/snowflakes” or any one else who shows a modicum of compassion and human kindness.

Not every American supports Trump, in fact many are disgusted and angry about him being POTUS.

RosiesMaw2

Claremont

RosiesMaw2

Whitewavemark2

Kinder, Kuche, Kirch.

Kinder, Küche, Kirche

Trumps grandparents were Bavarian- so Whitewave's version is probably more correct.

{sigh}
The saying is Kinder, Küche, Kirche as the poster clearly shows. The words Kuche and Kirch do not exist .
Trumps Bavarian ancestors (grandfather Friedrich) or Scottish grandmother (Mary Anne MacLeod) have no bearing on accurate German etymology or spelling .
Alas there is no connection with the cherry liqueur Kirsch but yes, Kirche (German) Kerk (Dutch) Kirk (Danish) are all connected and have the same root Kirkja (Old Norse)

My version was a fight with the iPad! Every time I put in Kirche it extended it to something else (it didn’t actually do it this time😄) so I gave up! And assumed everyone would just think it was a spelling mistake.

My version was a fight with the iPad! Every time I put in Kirche it extended it to something else (it didn’t actually do it this time😄) so I gave up
I totally sympathise!( And hope you were not offended. The metaphorical red pen never quite goes away)
On the few occasions I have had to email in another language it has been a word by word struggle! And I don’t do it often enough to change or switch off the spellchecker/predictive texting.
It has a sneaky way of waiting until you made made it safely to the end - then changes it back again!
But I was amused that anybody should think Bavarian antecedents made any difference to the actual German.

Don't worry, Whitewavemark2, Kirch only screams spelling mistake to German scholars. In spoken language, one might not notice, though the lack of an umlaut on the u/ü (Küche) would have made a big difference in pronunciation.
The classic spelling mistake in school, as we are aptly talking about family trees, is Grossfarter for grandfather. (Großvater). Though I'm sure half the kids do it on purpose!
As long as Donald can correctly write the word Hamburger on his lunch request, he will be fine.

Though I'm sure half the kids do it on purpose!
I meant spell it wrong on purpose, not fart on purpose.
Though stranger things have happened!