West Bank: Brutality of Israeli Soldiers

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Anniebach FACT. Natanyahu has been accused of war crimes by the UN.

He isn’t allowed in the UK is he? That must prove something surely.

Claremont writes truth. Let's be careful it does not happen to people like us that we be taught that certain groups of people are undeserving vermin. Indoctrination is insidious to begin with starting with whoever owns the public media we read.

Well I am not part of the group who either get deleted for antisemitism or cheer those on who get deleted. So I think I am comfortable in handling my own morality.

Public media, broadcasting such as BBC, understand you now ,

Killing of children is wrong , I have said so often of the Brutality of Hamas, formed from Palestine Branch of the Muslim Brotherhood , we are speaking of Jews and Muslims are we not

Basically, Israel is breaking international law constantly. But, while they are backed by the USA in all kinds of ways and ignore the UN, those soldiers will carry on with their brutal methods.

Anniebach

Caleo who are you accusing of brutalising and why?

Annie, you are not the only one confused by the OP.

The difference between brutalising and brutalisation for a start.

Thank you Merlot ,

Seems soldiers are brutalised to brutalised and by the Israeli government

So sorry, got brutalising, brutalised , brutalisation mixed up

Anniebach Are you aware that something in the region of 40,000 Palestinians have been killed and many thousands have been left with life-changing injuries? The majority being women and children. Almost the whole of Gaza has been razed to the ground and these people have no shelter, no proper sanitation and reduced access to food and water.

Israeli soldiers have protective gear, guns and training. Women and children do not.

A while back I posted details of witness statements of Israeli soldiers who had had the bravery to report on the atrocities that they had seen carried out by their fellow soldiers. These "whistle blowers" put their own wellbeing (their relations with their friends and families and their career aspirations) at serious risk to report this, yet it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Eloethan, in honesty I don’t accept the 40,000 dead mainly
Women and children perhaps more, perhaps less, the constant
‘women and children’ Where are the men ? , I have no trust in the numbers because Hamas quotes them, as doctors always give alleged info of injuries, the people malnourished , now babies dying of cold, Hamas is the government . documentary from the BBC which they pulled has left me in doubt of talk of Gaza, and the brutality of Israel.. sorry

DittoAnniebach

nanna8 I thought I was alone on this. No surprise the following hasn’t been mentioned here

New York did it. Paris did it. Even Berlin and Rio de Janeiro did it. But London? London didn’t do it, and its abstention provided a statement of its own.

I’m talking, of course, about the lighting up of landmarks across the world to honour Shiri Bibas and her two little boys, Kfir and Ariel, whose funeral took place yesterday. The Empire State Building, the Eiffel Tower, the Brandenburg Gate and the statue of Christ the Redeemer were all bathed in a sombre and dignified orange. But as criticism began to mount, silence from Sadiq Khan.

It showed a certain tone deafness for the mayor to ignore the global movement to show solidarity with the Bibas family.

Annibach, I think a lot, a lot of people are terrified of speaking up for Israelis, for fear of being cancelled.
The Israelis didn’t start this conflict. After months, years of provocation, culminating in the frankly atrocious, appalling attack of 7 October, they retaliated and decided, not unnaturally, to rid the world of Hamas.
It is not their fault that Hamas chooses to hide underground, under hospitals, schools.bbYes, there has been a lot of deaths, yes, it’s not been fun for the Palestinians, but they voted in Hamas. Or at least, allowed themselves to be ruled by them.
I shall now retreat, and probably be banned, silenced or whatever.

Anniebach, sorry for no being more explicit. Yes when I say "regime" I mean the Israeli government.

grandMattie, the evils of HAMAS are not sufficient justification for the enormity of Israel's vengeance.

BTW your phrase "Not much fun" doesn't start to apply to genocide.

Annieback we are not speaking of Jews and Muslims. These are religious groups. We are speaking of political groups not religious groups. Christians, Jews, and Muslims can all embrace each other as human beings in the spirit of ordinary human kindness.

We are talking about the scale of atrocities. Israeli atrocities are condemned by international law. Netanjahu is an international criminal.

Anniebach

grandMattie

*Annibach*, I think a lot, a lot of people are terrified of speaking up for Israelis, for fear of being cancelled.
The Israelis didn’t start this conflict. After months, years of provocation, culminating in the frankly atrocious, appalling attack of 7 October, they retaliated and decided, not unnaturally, to rid the world of Hamas.
It is not their fault that Hamas chooses to hide underground, under hospitals, schools.bbYes, there has been a lot of deaths, yes, it’s not been fun for the Palestinians, but they voted in Hamas. Or at least, allowed themselves to be ruled by them.
I shall now retreat, and probably be banned, silenced or whatever.

Well said.
Certainly the Palestinian supporters have the loudest voices, but that doesn’t make them right.
Israeli soldiers will do what they have to do, I think few actual soldiers actually enjoy killing but the extremists and supporters in the West Bank and Gaza and Lebanon do, that’s for sure.

I certainly do not believe the Israeli government demands its
army mutilate and murder , and defence is not -

The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948).
www.ushmm.org

Caleo you started a new thread re alleged attacks from Israel on Palestine yet there was an active thread. Hamas was not to be mentioned in your new thread , avoidance ? or the Israeli army are trained to mutilate children in West Bank but not in Gaza ?

Because this thread is about the destruction and violent exclusion of Palestinians in the West Bank, which is totally separate and is not about Hamas.

Please Annie, do look at a map. Please do a bit of research about the West Bank. Please.

Not only Anniebach but me too need to learn the more recent history of the West Bank (of the Jordan river).

Short resume of key dates and events taken from Brittanica.com/place/West-Bank

*1970s-early 80s illegal Israeli settlements on West Bank. The issue of Israeli rule over West Bank remains unsettled.

* 1987 first intifada by Palestinians

* 1993-94 Oslo Accords aimed to lead to Palestinian statehood.

* 1995 Yitzhak Rabin assassinated, replaced by Benyamin
Netanyahu.

*2006 Fatah and PLO lose to Hamas.
International sanctions against Hamas.
Split between Hamas (Gaza Strip) and Fatah(West Bank).

* Increasing infiltrations by illegal Israeli settlers into West
Bank.

* From 2022 increasing raids by IDF to root out militants.

*2023 . Hamas assaults Israel from the Gaza Strip.
Vigilante settlers supported by the Israeli government.

* August 2024 large scale Israeli offensive in West Bank.

For balance I have always thought the settlers were wrong to claim land and build houses in the West Bank.
That doesn’t mean I would ever agree that Palestinians in the West Bank can go into Israel to blow up cafes ( as they have done) or use deadly sling shots against soldiers or anything else.
The Palestinian Authority have turned a blind eye to many things going on.
When the conflict in Gaza is over there should be talks and as a result, no more house building by Israeli settlers in the WB.
What will happen in Gaza is so far unknown.

But the point is- deadly sling shots are being used against attackers and destroyers, killers, with tanks, armed to the back teeth with modern military technology.

who are the 'terrorists' here?