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West Bank: Brutality of Israeli Soldiers

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Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 11:59:11

Brutalisation of soldiers affects not only the non -combatants whom they kill but also the soldiers themselves.

The evil of the right wing Israeli state affects the souls of its own subjects.

Esmay Mon 03-Mar-25 09:26:17

Possibly it was a government led by Menachem Begin .

Anniebach Mon 03-Mar-25 09:28:52

At some stage ,the longest serving PM is Netanyahu, strange , most strange,

Esmay Mon 03-Mar-25 09:44:11

This is academic -there has been ill treatment of Palestinians for many years .
My friends and others witnessed it .
To my knowledge -
Netanyahu has been PM since 2022 .

Anniebach Mon 03-Mar-25 09:57:23

Benjamin Netanyahu[a] (born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli politician who has been serving as the prime minister of Israel since 2022, having previously held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021. Netanyahu is the longest-serving prime minister in Israel's history, having served a total of over 17 years.

Not in the 70’s and 80’s

Esmay Mon 03-Mar-25 10:23:43

Well researched , but he wasn't PM when my friend worked in Israel and witnessed those assaults .
Begin was .
It's a tragic history .

Esmay Mon 03-Mar-25 10:49:14

I didn't claim that Netanyahu was PM in the 70's and 80's .
For the record, he doesn't have a great reputation as regards human rights.

Caleo Mon 03-Mar-25 11:16:25

Valdali, thank you for explaining how the torturer injures himself besides injuring the slave.

Generally speaking, an entire nation of people may be persuaded to believe that it's right to torture and eliminate certain others.
Germans , a previously super- civilised nation ,were persuaded during the 1930s that Jews were evil and less than human . Germans have overcome the psychological effects of Nazism among the people. I am sure that Israelis will eventually change their attitude towards Palestinians only God knows how this will happen.

Caleo Mon 03-Mar-25 11:24:21

www.dummies.com/article/academics-the-arts/history/world/a-brief-history-of-palestine-186279/

The above links to 'Palestine for Dummies'.

The self deprecating titles in the Dummies series of informational articles are part of the attraction. Recommended.

Pantglas2 Mon 03-Mar-25 11:27:45

“I am sure that Israelis will eventually change their attitude towards Palestinians only God knows how this will happen.” Caleo

I wish I could be sure Palestinians would do the same towards Israelis…

Caleo Mon 03-Mar-25 11:34:52

Indeed Pantglas, we all pray that spears will be replaced by pruning hooks.

Anniebach Mon 03-Mar-25 11:42:16

Caleo there is an equally strong supporter of Palestine as you
who has said the bible is fiction, best not to quote from it

Caleo Mon 03-Mar-25 11:48:00

Anniebach, The Bible is important literature. The Bible does not belong to anyone in particular and I will quote from The Bible if and when its poetry is appropriate to illustrate what I want to say.

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 03-Mar-25 13:03:31

And a brief amble through the Old Testament will confirm that fighting over the territory has been a fixture of life in this part of the world for...quite a long time.

Anniebach Mon 03-Mar-25 13:30:45

Yes, and quotes from the Old Testament can be used for and against Jews

Caleo Mon 03-Mar-25 13:36:31

Anniebach , neither of us quotes from literature so as to make allegations against Jews.

Maremia Mon 03-Mar-25 14:35:41

Does anyone have a theory about why there is such bad blood between the two communities?
Were the people living in Palestine in the 1940's, and not all of them were Arabs, consulted about the proposed establishing of the brand new state of Israel?

Allira Mon 03-Mar-25 16:18:57

Maremia

Does anyone have a theory about why there is such bad blood between the two communities?
Were the people living in Palestine in the 1940's, and not all of them were Arabs, consulted about the proposed establishing of the brand new state of Israel?

As Chocolatelovinggran mentioned

Where do we begin? Are you sitting comfortably?

A few years ago, during the Iron Age ....

Maremia Mon 03-Mar-25 17:10:45

Yes, thousands of years of warring history, and I bet it makes for interesting reading, thanks, but do you know anything about the 'consultation' process, which may or may not have occurred before the creation of the state of Israel? That is, were the Palestinians, of all faiths, living there at that time consulted, offered compensation, given any say in the process?

Caleo Mon 03-Mar-25 17:19:46

Maremia:
Concerning the United Nations plan of 1947,

"The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League and other Arab leaders and governments rejected the Plan, as aside from Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned most of the territory.[20][21] They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division,[22] arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter that granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[10][23] They announced their intention to take all necessary measures to prevent the implementation of the resolution.[24][25][26][27] A civil war broke out in Palestine,[28] and the plan was not implemented.[29] In 1948, 85% of the Palestinians living in the areas that became the state of Israel became refugees.[30]"

Anniebach Mon 03-Mar-25 17:42:29

And in 1948 5 Arab country declared war on Israel,

Maremia Mon 03-Mar-25 18:30:57

Thanks Caleo. Were those displaced Palestinians offered/given any compensation for the homes and land they lost?

Pantglas2 Mon 03-Mar-25 19:01:43

Maremia

Yes, thousands of years of warring history, and I bet it makes for interesting reading, thanks, but do you know anything about the 'consultation' process, which may or may not have occurred before the creation of the state of Israel? That is, were the Palestinians, of all faiths, living there at that time consulted, offered compensation, given any say in the process?

So why are thousands of years dismissed and the focus is on the last 70 odd years? Cherrypicking?

Allira Mon 03-Mar-25 19:46:44

Maremia

Yes, thousands of years of warring history, and I bet it makes for interesting reading, thanks, but do you know anything about the 'consultation' process, which may or may not have occurred before the creation of the state of Israel? That is, were the Palestinians, of all faiths, living there at that time consulted, offered compensation, given any say in the process?

This is probably more detailed and accurate:

www.un.org/unispal/history/

Allira Mon 03-Mar-25 19:47:52

Pantglas2

Maremia

Yes, thousands of years of warring history, and I bet it makes for interesting reading, thanks, but do you know anything about the 'consultation' process, which may or may not have occurred before the creation of the state of Israel? That is, were the Palestinians, of all faiths, living there at that time consulted, offered compensation, given any say in the process?

So why are thousands of years dismissed and the focus is on the last 70 odd years? Cherrypicking?

Because the history is an inconvenient truth for some on Gransnet.

Anniebach Mon 03-Mar-25 20:57:05

It is now the 30’s repeated , Lilly Ebert warned of this a few years before she died