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Justin Welby says he 'forgives' John Smyth

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M0nica Sun 30-Mar-25 13:16:35

How was this catastrophe of a clergyman ever considered suitable to be Archbishop of Canterbury?

A few months ago he resigned because of the CofE's failure, at his level, to deal with sexual scandals within the church.

Ysterday, it was reported that he said that the church at his level failed to respond to the many cases of sexual abuse that landed in their inbox because they were overwhelmed by the number.

This despite the knowledge of the rampant nature of sex abuse within the church being well known for years. I am a catholic and for some years our parish priest was a Cof E priest who had changed sides and when I spoke to him about concerns I had about the amount of sexual abuse being revealed in the catholic church, he told me that what was happening in the catholic church was far less than was happening in the church of England!! This was nearly 20 years ago.

Today the papers are reporting that Justin Welby is reported 'forgiving' John Smyth, a man who abused 100 or more young men. Who is Justin Welby to be 'forgiving this man. He was not one of the abused. Only those men abused by Smyth can forgive him.

The phrase about being in a hole and stopping digging occurs to me. It doesn't seem to occur to Justin Welby.

As I said why on earth was this apology for an Arch-bishop of Canterbury ever thought suitable for the position.

fancythat Sun 30-Mar-25 19:30:30

I agree with many of these posts.

The point about him being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers - he had a golden opportunity to deal with the whole issue.

Or certainly to delegate.

I am a member of a different denomination.
I always think there is a lost opportunity with delegation.

Jesus himself had 12 Disciples.
And 72 others.
84 in total.

Crocus5 Sun 30-Mar-25 19:35:46

Fancy that ………Jesus himself had 12 Disciples and 72 others.
Who were they?

fancythat Sun 30-Mar-25 19:45:00

I didnt know whether to call them the 70 or the 72

In Luke 10:1, Jesus appoints "seventy-two others" (or sometimes "seventy") and sends them out in pairs to every town and place where he himself was about to go, to proclaim the kingdom of God and heal the sick

Grannynannywanny Sun 30-Mar-25 19:50:21

I watched his interview with Laura Kuenssberg this morning. He’s a pompous, arrogant man with no self awareness. He needs to fade into obscurity and stay away from tv cameras.

whywhywhy Sun 30-Mar-25 19:56:17

I can’t put down here just how I feel. Disgusted!

Crocus5 Sun 30-Mar-25 19:58:40

Thank you Fancythat

NanKate Sun 30-Mar-25 20:12:30

Justin Welby has struck rock bottom in my estimation. How he ever become Archbishop I don’t know? He is a total disgrace.

My lovely godson is a Reverend Canon in the C of E and he doesn’t suffer fools gladly. When I see him next I will be telling him of my strong negative feelings about JW and I expect him to be equally strong in his condemnation.

Smileless2012 Sun 30-Mar-25 20:46:11

I agree Delila, but if someone's to be criticised for what they've said then it's important that that criticism is based on what was said, and not what the papers say was said.

Norah Sun 30-Mar-25 20:50:54

Smileless2012

I agree Delila, but if someone's to be criticised for what they've said then it's important that that criticism is based on what was said, and not what the papers say was said.

Smileless2012 is correct.

What is said is very important, apart from wrong behaviour.

Luckygirl3 Sun 30-Mar-25 21:04:25

But will people forgive Welby? .........

Doodledog Sun 30-Mar-25 21:24:21

I also saw the interview, and as others have said, Welby was at pains to say that forgiveness wasn't in his gift.

He had to say that Smyth could be forgiven, as that is a core tent of the faith that he represented for so long, but he qualified it immediately.

I agree that the interview was a car crash, and that he was foolish to do it, but he clearly enjoys the limelight. Odious man.

Ilovedogs22 Fri 04-Apr-25 19:54:52

I met & worked for people such as He, whilst working as a gardener in a rather precious village in my county.
They are as a whole quite a breed unto themselves!
A bit \very odd indeed! 🤔

DillytheGardener Fri 04-Apr-25 20:17:08

NanKate I would love to hear your godson’s opinion, please report back to us.

M0nica Sat 05-Apr-25 10:30:14

A long article in the DM today discussing the current rise of third rate conformists to positions of authoritythroughout the country, but especially in those positions in government and public affairs, of whom Welby is one.

AGAA4 Sat 05-Apr-25 12:04:48

Justin Welby was peeved that his "head had to roll" over the abuse claims. He made a lot of excuses about too much to cope with and did nothing allowing the abuse to go on.
He really has no right to forgive anyone. Can anyone forgive him.

Redblueandgreen Sat 05-Apr-25 12:15:21

As already said by others, it’s not the place of Justin Welby to forgive him - how arrogant he is.

Anniebach Sat 05-Apr-25 12:20:50

Justin Welby has the right to forgive anyone he feels has hurt him, we all have that right, I doubt he was forgiving harm done
to others

Aldom Sat 05-Apr-25 12:38:45

I agree with youAnnie that is how I understood what Justin Welby meant.

Aldom Sat 05-Apr-25 12:46:03

Forgiving is not forgetting. It's remembering and letting go.

M0nica Sat 05-Apr-25 15:36:16

Aldom

Forgiving is not forgetting. It's remembering and letting go.

Thank you, Aldom, I have never understood what forgetting meant, I even started a thread on it once, and was still none the wiser. You have encapsulated it perfectly.

tinaf1 Sat 05-Apr-25 15:52:16

I really don’t know why he thinks he is still relevant .I would have thought he would want keep a low profile after his resignation and the mess he made of his handling of the abuse by Smyth the last thing he would want to do is give a high profile TV interview.
As for saying he would forgive Smyth his answer should have been it’s not for me to forgive him only Christ and the children he abused can do that.

Anniebach Sat 05-Apr-25 15:59:14

He did not say he forgave the abuse

Mt61 Sat 05-Apr-25 16:02:05

You get your good & bad in every religion.

OldFrill Sat 05-Apr-25 19:31:10

Do the abuse victims forgive Smyth?
Do the abuse victims forgive Welby?
Whether or why Welby forgives anyone (and he clearly stated that if Smyth was still alive and he met him then he, Welby, would forgive the serial sadistic child abuser) is entirely irrelevant. He shouldn't be given air time, absolutely disgusting individual, remaining in the public eye, not supporting the victims and desperately trying to keep himself "relevant".

valdavi Sat 05-Apr-25 20:23:08

If what Lixy says is true and he answered a direct question with "yes" but also the proviso that it's not for him to forgive, that is for the victims to make their individual decisions on, then I think more of him than if he had said "no".
He indutably suffered because of this man's actions so to that extent, he can forgive.