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Justin Welby says he 'forgives' John Smyth

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M0nica Sun 30-Mar-25 13:16:35

How was this catastrophe of a clergyman ever considered suitable to be Archbishop of Canterbury?

A few months ago he resigned because of the CofE's failure, at his level, to deal with sexual scandals within the church.

Ysterday, it was reported that he said that the church at his level failed to respond to the many cases of sexual abuse that landed in their inbox because they were overwhelmed by the number.

This despite the knowledge of the rampant nature of sex abuse within the church being well known for years. I am a catholic and for some years our parish priest was a Cof E priest who had changed sides and when I spoke to him about concerns I had about the amount of sexual abuse being revealed in the catholic church, he told me that what was happening in the catholic church was far less than was happening in the church of England!! This was nearly 20 years ago.

Today the papers are reporting that Justin Welby is reported 'forgiving' John Smyth, a man who abused 100 or more young men. Who is Justin Welby to be 'forgiving this man. He was not one of the abused. Only those men abused by Smyth can forgive him.

The phrase about being in a hole and stopping digging occurs to me. It doesn't seem to occur to Justin Welby.

As I said why on earth was this apology for an Arch-bishop of Canterbury ever thought suitable for the position.

OldFrill Sat 05-Apr-25 21:22:22

Do not defend the monster that forgave a monster. Welby suffered by doing nothing and hoping he'd get away with the same kind of cover up that happened in the 1980s.

OldFrill Sat 05-Apr-25 21:35:40

The reaction of a survivor of Smyth's dreadful abuse to Welby's interview.
premierchristian.news/us/news/article/church-abuse-survivors-justin-welby-interview

welbeck Sun 06-Apr-25 10:08:35

OldFrill
Thanks for that link.
The survivors I have heard speaking on radio do not have a good opinion of Welby. Some of the interactions with him sound quite bizarre. At the very least he seems devoid of self awareness.

PoliticsNerd Sun 06-Apr-25 11:06:06

Such a poor thread, factually. He also said "He's abused the victims and survivors.  So whether I forgive or not is, to a large extent, irrelevant."

Educating yourself can be as simple as looking up the facts rather than simple unthinking reaction to propagandised headlines.

Retroladywriting Sun 06-Apr-25 11:12:50

PoliticsNerd

Such a poor thread, factually. He also said "He's abused the victims and survivors.  So whether I forgive or not is, to a large extent, irrelevant."

Educating yourself can be as simple as looking up the facts rather than simple unthinking reaction to propagandised headlines.

Absolutely. I wonder how many of those reacting to that headline, here and on other media, have actually listened to the whole interview.

I'm not defending his actions which were, at best, neglectful of his duty and, at worst, aiding and abetting offences.

Glad he's gone and that he may now get his wish to disappear and never trouble us again

OldFrill Sun 06-Apr-25 13:31:00

These are the quotes (BBC)
“Yes. I think if he was alive and I saw him, but it’s not me he’s abused."

“He’s abused the victims and survivors. So whether I forgive or not is, to a large extent, irrelevant"

So he qualifies his forgiveness by claiming it's "to a large extent irrelevant"

It's totally irrelevant. The people worthy of discussing this are the survivors, not the culprits who were complicit in the cover up and/or the failure to act. How he can live with himself beggars belief, and he's still in Lambeth Palace.

SparklyGrandma Sun 06-Apr-25 14:26:02

Words fail me. I think if he had to say anything about forgiving Smyth, he should have shared it with his own close friends only.
Rather than the national debate about abuse being influenced by his statement.

Larsonsmum Sun 06-Apr-25 14:35:20

This man did himself no favours agreeing to an interview. (Must have the same Advisors as Prince Andrew!!) can’t image anyone was impressed or feels sorry for him. I certainly don’t and sadly - feel there is even more to come out on his appalling handling of all this. Sincerely hope he disappears into obscurity…..unless he faces any charges at a later date.