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The floods have arrived

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FlicketyB Fri 07-Feb-14 11:45:42

I have put up a couple of posts on other threads, but as it is a developing situation, I thought I would start a separate thread.

When we moved here 20 years ago the village had no reputation for flooding. There had been floods in 1895 and 1947, but these had seen exceptional floods countrywide. Then in 2007 Wales, Gloucestershire and the northern Home counties found themselves caught in, what we were later told was, the 1,000 rain event, nothing to do with global warming. The village was flooded, including about 40 houses. It recovered and we all considered it was a one off and we would need to wait another 50 years for the next flood.

Its 2014. There has over the last two or three months been excessive rain. When I woke this morning (I am an early riser) I opened the curtains and my eye was caught by the street lights which seemed to be glimmering and reflecting off the road surface. I looked again and realised it was water. I nipped out to the front gate in my dressing gown and the water stretched as far up the road as I could see.

Once I was dressed and it was light I went out with my camera. There are four streets in the village running laterally for up to a mile from the main road. They are all flooded, from a few inches to well over a foot. Thankfully most of the roads lie below the level of the houses but 5 houses already have water coming in. Others are managing to hold it off with sandbags at garden gates. Although it has not rained since 6.00am the water has not gone down and with more rain forecast for the weekend we expect it to rise further. We are meant to be above any flood level. It would have to rise nearly 2 foot to reach us, but one of our neighbours who was flooded in 2007 in a different house has moved all papers and books off the bottom shelf of her bookcases.

The one thing the water has done is activate a real camaraderie between people in the village. The school is shut and parents and children and the rest of the village are all out and about chatting to each other.

Galen Sat 08-Feb-14 18:13:25

Would it work to do it the other way round? Ie, fill from rainwater in winter and use to boost the Thames in summer?

annodomini Sat 08-Feb-14 18:20:00

In my last post I meant West Hagborne - not Harborne!

FlicketyB Sat 08-Feb-14 18:27:58

That was never put forward so I assume that was not possible. It would have been a banked reservoir rather than a valley reservoir so that although the ground would be excavated to provide a great hole, it was going to be surrounded by banks 80 foot high also filled with water.

Galen Sat 08-Feb-14 18:33:28

I can't see why it wouldn't. The rivers seem to be getting very low and dry some summers.

Galen Sat 08-Feb-14 18:35:33

Sort of variation on the De Norwick pump storage scheme, but for water rather than electricity.

rosesarered Sat 08-Feb-14 18:45:37

All a bit technical for me, but you seem to know all about it, FlicketyB, I did think the sodden fields the main problem though, rather than the rivers.
In the end, some years just will be very bad, though it seems now that dredging [Somerset] will go ahead for them hopefully.
Annodomini my daughter works in Didcot and will no doubt be delighted if she can't get into work! Not.She can always get the bus as presumably buses can get through the roads there?

rosesarered Sat 08-Feb-14 18:48:42

Tesco's loss was Waitrose's gain, as thankfully they were open for business, but heaving with all the Tesco shoppers!Waitrose customers didn't like that!!grin

Galen Sat 08-Feb-14 18:53:55

Only because my late DH worked on the De Norwick project. It's very ingenious. You should look it up!

margaretm74 Sat 08-Feb-14 18:57:15

Oh! I shop at Tesco, Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Lidl, M&S! Morrison's (this week) wherever, don't want to be typecast.

DH used to work in Didcot and travel there every day.

Remember when they were telling us the aquifers were nearly empty and Monty Don was urging us to plant Mediterranean plants? That doesn't seem very long ago. The lavenders and Med. Herbs are looking very soggy.

FlicketyB Sat 08-Feb-14 19:25:27

We went past Tesco yesterday and the fields all around it were underwater and we said we thought it might flood.

I am a Waitrose shopper, I have no objection to anyone shopping there But I can see that those who usually shop there on a Saturday, when it would be very crowded, would not be happy to have thousands of people who normally shop elsewhere adding to the crowds. Tesco is much, much larger than Waitrose. There are two co-op stores in the town some could have gone there, but we do not have many supermarkets around here compared with many areas.

annodomini Sat 08-Feb-14 20:12:52

I can imagine all those Tesco customers squeezing into that Waitrose which I also know quite well. My DiL formerly worked there.

margaretm74 Sat 08-Feb-14 20:34:15

Our nearest Waitrose is very small and doesn't have a coffee shop

FlicketyB Sun 09-Feb-14 14:05:33

Day 3. The floods are retreating but parts of our road are still flooded. Had a bad night last night because of the wind. That other side of recent weather, strong winds is causing us real worries.

Just before Christmas we noticed damp patches in two bedrooms either side of the main chimney stack. It didn't take long to find the cause of our problem. Electricity reaches our house by an aerial cable from a pole 150 feet away and is attached to the house on the chimney stack. 150 feet of electricity cable bouncing around in recent winds has loosened the chimney, the flaunching (concrete fillet between roof and chimney) is cracked and leaking.

The Electricity company say that the only solution is to run the supply underground. This means getting builders to come in and dig a trench, 150 foot long and 18 inches deep from pole to house. This includes digging up the lawn, taking up the steps between patio and garden and part of the patio. The Electricity company will then come in and lay the new supply cable, then the builder comes in, fills the trench, rebuilds patio steps and patio and, finally repairs the chimney, we are busy arranging all this but it can't be sorted overnight, meanwhile at the moment every time we have strong winds, we sleep badly.

Ah well we are off to France tonight for three days. We have a house there that hasn't been visited since early January. We are leaving all our contact details with our neighbours - and keys and hoping that the (English) house can remain dry and with a chimney until we return.

durhamjen Sun 09-Feb-14 14:33:45

Margaret, I seem to recall that last summer, there were calls for the canals to be linked up so that the reservoirs down south could have our water from Kielder.

margaretm74 Sun 09-Feb-14 16:21:40

Possibly in the TV area, as Thames Water seem unable to manage anything except their profit margins?

They shouldn't be asking for it next summer - if they do I would think there would be a lynch mob out calls for resignations

annodomini Sun 09-Feb-14 17:13:01

durhamjen, that proposal goes back to the long hot summer of 1976 and was dug up again last year. No doubt the same will happen every time we have a drought - unlikely as such an event may seem right now.

Brendawymms Sun 09-Feb-14 21:43:47

Thinking of everyone who may be near the flood risk areas. Hope you keep very safe tonight.

Galen Sun 09-Feb-14 22:12:53

And from me!
Seriously, if anyone in the Somerset region needs emergency accommodation.
I do have a spare room.

Galen Sun 09-Feb-14 22:14:41

That's GN members only. Not friends or neighbours , unless vouched for and a real emergency

durhamjen Sun 09-Feb-14 22:23:50

Don't think so Anno, Kielder wasn't finished until 1981.

grannyactivist Sun 09-Feb-14 22:27:06

Galen, that's a very touching response. You're a star! flowers

newist Sun 09-Feb-14 22:35:49

Galen that is such a lovely thing to offer flowers

Galen Sun 09-Feb-14 23:10:29

I note that now the SE is at risk, the army etc is being called in.
We are the poor neighbours down here in the SW!

Mishap Mon 10-Feb-14 09:28:35

Yes - they do seem to be getting the military out a bit quicker for the nobs in Berkshire! - but maybe it has just taken them all this time to work out what needs doing from experience in Somerset.

Brendawymms Mon 10-Feb-14 09:42:00

One of the problems in the South East is ground water coming up into homes, roads etc not altogether due to overflowing rivers. They are stopping the ground water falling. No amount of sandbagging stops ground water rising up through floorboards etc.
We had such a high water pressure from ground water a few years ago we had fountains in the floor of the garage. Be now have land drains but they are finding it hard to cope and we live near the top of a hill on sandstone.