Alternatives to the Death Sentence?

Well said Jing.

Nonu, as others have pointed out, HollyDaze is having her say. Others are joining in the discussion she started.

I do not agree with the death penalty, it's barbaric. When's posts are as always, non confrontational and informative.

i seem to remember that a cryonics firm got into financial difficulties and the frozen "customers" were just dumped . . .

A suitably punitive alternative to capital punishment might be to force those lifers to read some of the more bizarre suggestions that have been made on this thread.

HollyDaze You might find a good job opportunity in arranging discussions of your punishment theories with the lifers concerned. The Prison System and the Home Secretary might also welcome your insights on this subject.

I think you should consider doing a PhD on the subject of the use of Cryogenics in the penal system!

Hey Nelliemoser best suggestion so far

Yes I seem to remember this too Elegran also when cryonics firms were first established didn't some get their calculations wrong and some parts, heads unfortunately went off?

Brilliant NellieM

Stop it! I'm getting images of the Thriller video being refilmed on Strangeways' lifer wing!

Unfortunate if it was the heads, PPP By the time they were due to be thawed out, transplanting limbs might be routine, but I think heads will be further into the future.

Heads they lose, tails the cryonics firm who took the money in advance wins.

PENST , you have buttoned it

IAM 17.30 So I have repeated it , AND .

Off to watch Million pound Drop which we love .

Toodle pip

janeainsworth

You suggested experimenting on prisoners in your OP. Hollydaze, when you put forward the idea of cryonics as a solution fro longterm prisoners.

It would be very interesting to hear you explain how you came to that conclusion.

Nelliemoser

HollyDaze I don't think its a funny subject either! So why did you start it?

That has already been explained in the OP.

with this title? IMO it's just in rather bad taste all round!

Why?

I find some of your suggestions bizarre!

Would it be better to not have free reign of thought and only think of what others tell me is the right way to think? There would be little progress in the world if everyone thought that way. Every advancement in society as begun with a 'what if ...'

As you challenged jingle about her lack of knowledge on the subject, are you about to enlighten us on your knowledge of the viability of such a scheme and how it might work?

I take it you do mean should the nanotechnology make it a viable alternative? I have stated that the nanotechnology is not yet perfected so, obviously, it would not be feasible until that point.

The problem is the title "Alternatives to the Death Sentence?" We have not had death sentences in the UK since 1965. It is inhumane.

The thread that the question came from was dealing with the death sentence and not, from what I saw, alternatives.

"How do we most humanely deal with prisoners facing a life sentence for serious crimes who are a possible danger to society."

Did I not ask that question in the OP - I have a sneaking suspicion that I did but, as usual, pack mentality sets in.

Penstemmon

^ holly did you mean an alternative to life sentence but not death!? confused^

Hallelujah! Someone with a bit of sense at last.

I know the question appeared as the second sentence but it seems that some just skipped straight to the controversial bit and ignored what went before ...

Nonu

It's okay - it's a typical response: not to the question asked but more what they want to say about what they think the question was about (if that makes sense). I do wish people would read posts before commenting.

HOLLY, I send you a BIG .

grumppa - your post: Fri 22-Aug-14 19:09:02

Hmm, very good points.

I have heard this suggestion put forward many times (there is even a film made about it!) and although I'd thought of a hiccough or two, I hadn't thought of all those that you had put.

It is said that today's science fiction becomes tomorrow's science fact - which is why I wondered what others had to say. So, with that in mind, thank you for responding to a discussion.

What worries me is that it would be a cheaper alternative to long-term incarceration and, should technology make it feasible, would it go ahead - how would the public react to it. Who would have thought 50 years ago that that things exist today that weren't even dreamt of then or that societies rules would have changed so much.

Others are joining in the discussion she started.

Discussion? I've seen a lot of ill-founded accusations but little in the way of discussion.

Nelliemoser Fri 22-Aug-14 19:34:05

HollyDaze You might find a good job opportunity in arranging discussions of your punishment theories with the lifers concerned. The Prison System and the Home Secretary might also welcome your insights on this subject.

If it paid good money, I probably would have that discussion - it might have more impact than what is currently used to encourage offenders not to break the law and to not inflict pain, suffering and death on others.

I think you should consider doing a PhD on the subject of the use of Cryogenics in the penal system!

That has probably already been thought of - nothing new under the sun.

Was that all you had to offer? No suggestions of alternatives yourself? Or was it a case of the opportunity to be sarcastic was just too much to resist ...

but I think heads will be further into the future

According to the cryonic industry, that is all that will be 'needed' in the future (for freezing purposes) should they perfect the practice; not sure how people would feel being in a different body though.

Thank you Nonu - it's the responses (in general) that I expected but I live in hope

Do I understand that once the miscreants have been cryonic'd they'll be eventually (if it works) revived and released.?

If so, if I get a nasty painful terminal illness it would be worth my while killing a policeman - or something similar - so I will be cryonic'd.
1. I would end it all - and save a trip to Switzerland, and
2. There'd be a chance that when I was revived a cure may have been found. Win/win.

Sorry, silly idea!

Why would you want to kill a policeman?

To get into prison of course and get a cryonic sentence of course!!

(Sorry - it's just the way my warped mind sometimes works.)

If someone in America who has paid thousands for cryogenics then commits a crime for which he is to have the death penalty, what should happen? Which has priority?

At the moment it costs a fortune to have one's life terminated if, through terrible disease, one cannot go on. And even then - dead is dead. Some people now pay a fortune to have their bodies frozen after death in order that one day in the future it may be possible to be resurrected. And maybe healed of their ills.

Assuming cryonics works, it doesn't seem right to have this as an option for criminals. It's almost a reward.

But at present the problem would be finding doctors willing to perform what is at present a death sentence.

Suppose you were to freeze a criminal and then twenty, thirty, forty, howevermany years later the cure for his pathological behaviour traits were discovered and you applied the cure to him so he could carry on his free life where he left off, so to speak. Well, there's a problem—his contemporary family members and friends would be however many years older or dead.

He'd be coming back to a lot of unknowns. I reckon you'd need more than freezing and 'curing' of criminal behaviour. You'd need a lot of psychological help to adjust. Sounds impractical to me.