Repeal of fox hunting

Cameron will be more concerned with the views of the countryside alliance than the views of the general public, he can't be voted out so can do as he wishes

Yes dj that is what i understood

So if at least 80% of the population disagree with fox hunting and academic research shows that hunting does absolutely nothing to reduce fox population the vote cannot go any other way? How anti-democratic do the Tories wish to appear?

I thought the reason the SNP are voting against the changes was because they wish to change their hunting bill to fit in with the English one.
In which case they are doing the right thing.

Great - and accurate too. Bristol uni research has proven that again and again, for many many years.

Foxy's on the ball again, and entertaining with it.

Yes I am as DC intends to delay it until after evel. Hoping I suppose to sideline some Westminster mps and then get the fox hunting through. Not sure whether he can legally do that with regard the constitution.

Is the government running scared? Or am I missing something?

But is Cameron not flexing his muscles by banning elected MP's from voting in the UK parliment? Why should England be treated differently to Wales, Scotland and N Ireland ? If these three countries had to go through the procedure of holding a referendum , setting up a parliment/Assembly, voting for their representatives why not England ? Sorry but there is arrogance is this action , we are England so we do as we wish

They've played their hand too soon. An issue which hasn't concerned them in Scotland becomes an opportunity to flex their muscles and they couldn't resist.

Nicola Sturgeon crowing about the vote being pulled doesn't mean Cameron has been outfoxed....quite the opposite I think.

I in no way support hunting - Oscar Wilde was right when he said it was the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible (although I think he said uneatable!). However, I don't like the idea of the SNP stopping a vote especially when the Scottish laws on hunting are worse than those in England and Wales This was the SNP flexing their muscles but I think it will rebound on them as the government will use it as an example of the SNP interfering in something that only affects England and Wales.

I am aware some here do not like any comparisons to be made- but I really do like the Geneva area idea. They have a team of qualified and very experienced wildlife marksmen- they know the Geneva region by heart, every nook and cranny, and all the wildlife too- including the damage they do and can cause. They work closely with farmers and wildlife/nature groups- and they do cull individuals or groups when absolutely necessary, be it to protect livestock, crops or people (we do have wolves and lynx here) - and only when adequate protection measures have been taken to protect either. They will advise on what protection is best and how to install + help too - and if they have to kill, they know exactly how to do it safely and surely, avoiding any un-necessary suffering.

granjura, it was a news flash on BBC news

I agree with Whitewave. For me, there is no argument to be had. Fox hunting, any hunting, should be banned and enforced as being totally illegal. Like some other gransnetters, I live in a rural area and our village has in the past been overrun by honking, boorish people (including members of Royalty) enjoying a spot of killing in the name of some archaic sport.

OK, foxes are predators, as pointed out by the chicken run owners - but is hunting with dogs spurred on by bloodthirsty subnorms be the way to control such assaults on our feathered friends?!

I expect the SNP are testing their Westminster clout which, of course, they're perfectly entitled to do, I just think it's more about that than any fox-hunting proposals. Cynic? who, me?

Do you have a link to that Annie?

The government has postponed the vote - what a suprise

X posts, nightowl. Thanks.

I'm asking because, as I understand it, current Scottish law allows what the Westminster government was proposing in the amendment under discussion, so I'm puzzled why the SNP wants to block the amendment unless the Scottish government intends, in short order, to change the Scottish law on fox-hunting.

They're trying very hard to do so thatbags. durhamjen's link explains their position on this very clearly. Interesting times, I think.

Are the SNP going to bring Scottish law on fox-hunting into line with that of England and Wales?

To the. SNP very well done indeed!!!!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/13/foxhunting-ban-changes-under-threat-from-snp

merlotgran, by self defence I include the farmer's family and property. I am not a fox lover, but I object to ANY torture of animals. I find the idea of fox hunting grotesque. And as a footnote, thousands of dogs are culled either because they are no good at hunting, or just too old. None of it belongs in a modern civilised society.

Indeed- but good husbandry via protection measures would make sense before shooting if at all possible (and yes I know foxes are very cunning and can overcome the best protection measures). I have no objection to foxes being shot if they are threatening livestock. More lambs die of poor husbandry and extreme weather though, and multiple births resulting in weaker runts the mother can't protect.

Why is the % of lambs lost the same on Scottish Islands with foxes and those without, for instance?