Repeal of fox hunting

The thought of people hunting foxes for so called sport sickens me to the core . Regardless of whatever excuses are made ie population control , foxes killing livestock etc etc it is a fairly disgusting practice .
Those who say foxes are vicious because they kill and don`t eat , what makes this different from the hunt, I don`t see them eating what they kill either .

Man is the most dangerous animal on the planet , not many other animals kill for fun.
Saying that I could quite easily chase a hunter across a field with a pack of dogs and enjoy it . Same goes for the scum who hunt and kill Tigers, Lions and other majestic creatures then post pictures on the internet . I would love to take their weapon and make it a fair fight .

Our local farmer had nine sheep killed by a domestic dog in the last few weeks. The fox seeks food for its young and for it lifebeing, not quite the same with domestic dogs so should we hunt them as well.
Birds of prey are hunters in the sense that no domestic animal is safe from their claws. Then of course there are the people who enjoy killing animals for so called sport with guns.

Killing any animal for any so called sport that actually mainly exists because it gives people a kick is sheer barbaric.

I think the SNP want to change the law in Scotland so it is similar to the one in England. That's why they do not want the English law to change, aston.

I suppose the only consolation is that if DC goes on as he is the left and middle ground will have a field day at the next election when people realise the true colours of this lot.

In fact I have never voted Labour in my life (nor indeed Conservative) but I would be tempted next time, as I think so many others will be.

Talking about Scotland, and not on a political level. Research has shown that the % of young lambs lost, often attributed to foxes- is the same on Scottish islands that has foxes present, and those that do not. Now that does not mean that there are not rogue foxes who do take a liking to a bit of lamb- usually the weak, dying or dead- but overall the figures are the same. Bad weather and other factors (and in some cases isolation, lack of checks- call it poor husbandry) are much more significant. A rogue fox is easily despatched by clean and quick shooting if necessary- I have no objections to that at all. No need to chase them for hours with dogs, truly, and the vile tradition of 'cubbing' which would make most normal people sick and is well hidden from the public.

And of course, many hunts have been caught breeding foxes for hunting- call it canned hunting as in Africa. Or catching pregnant vixens to pen up so her and cubs can be hunted, or trapping young cubs and pen up for the same. Totally blowing the argument that foxes are too numerous. BTW the fox is the only effective predator in the UK (we have lynx here) of the far too numerous rabbits and vermin around farms- so they do an excelllent job in clearing such and helping farmers.

As said before, there are 2 separate issues here. The Hunting ban- and the large number of foxes in uk towns. For the second, as said before- and back by long-term and rigorous research by the University of Bristol, foxes are very good at regulating their numbers in face of the amount of food available.

Those who feed urban foxes, however well intentioned, must stop, or they are signing their death warrant. And those who drop litter and leave food litter all over our towns, be it McDonalds or open bins at the back for restaurants, gardens or in the street, must be stopped too.

When food is plentyful, all vixens will breed and have several cubs. As soon as the food source becomes limited, only the strongest vixens will breed and have 1 or 2 cubs max. Simple and proven.

Asking what ??

I'm asking because, as I understand it, current Scottish law allows what the Westminster government was proposing in the amendment under discussion, so I'm puzzled why the SNP wants to block the amendment unless the Scottish government intends, in short order, to change the Scottish law on fox-hunting.

Why are people being taken in by it all?
I must admit I do not know anyone who will admit to having voted Tory now.

True whitewave but a very Tory government record

So since May and the general election the government has shelved the Human Rights Act, the fox hunting relaxation and Evel but has attacked the poorest, whilst giving more to the wealthy, and now is beginning to attack the unions. Not a very edifying record is it?

I have just read this.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-thanks-fox-hunters-5730704

Wasn't just the SNP against it.

www.conservativesagainstfoxhunting.com/2015/07/the-minister-for-sport-the-president-of-conservative-animal-welfare-and-the-co-chairman-of-the-all-party-group-for-animal-welfare-urge-colleagues-to-protect-the-hunting-ban-from-amendment/

Yes, let's hope they do more than just 'look at' strengthening their law, and pretty soon, to put a stop to all the 'muscle-flexing' accusations.

NS stated that she received a large correspondence on this and that much of it was from English voters asking the SNP to vote against the relaxation of the law.

DC has said he wanted to bring the English law "in line with Scotland". Since when has he been interested in doing that?

The Scottish government plans to look at strengthening their law, in line with England. If they do that England would have to swap back again, to be " in line".

Just some sort of draft.

Oh OK

Yes, I looked at that but it didn't come up as a proper poll result.

IPSOS MORI ana

Of course the countryside alliance supports the relaxation. I must look for the 80% I know I read it just recently.

I am so pleased that the SNP won the day and so no doubt is the foxy world.

Perhaps we should approach NS and ask her to consider running for the Labour leadership

"Since the election, David Cameron’s government has shown very little respect to the mandate that Scottish MPs have. On the Scotland bill, reasonable amendments backed by the overwhelming majority of Scottish MPs have been voted down. The English votes for English laws proposals brought forward go beyond any reasonable proposition and look to make Scottish MPs effectively second-class citizens in the House of Commons.

“So, I think if there’s an opportunity – as there appears to be here – and on an issue where David Cameron appears to be out of touch with majority English opinion as well, to actually remind the government how slender their majority is.”

This is why the SNP was going to vote against the changes to the foxhunting bill.

So why is Cameron saying that the government want to have the foxhunting laws the same on both sides of the border?

Then why not an English parliament or English assembly with representatives voted in by English voters, just as the three other countries did

DJ hunting with dogs is a devolved issue dealt with by the Holyrood parliament. Regardless of my or your views on fox-hunting, the SNP should not have any say in what happens in England any more than Westminster can overrule the Scottish Parliament on devolved issues.

The YouGov poll I've seen gave the figure as being between 50 and 60% in support of keeping the current Act' I couldn't find any reliable evidence of it being as high as 80%. And of course the Countryside Alliance has been opposed to it from the start.

I'm against fox (or anything else) hunting BTW, in case anyone assumes otherwise!