Researchers have created eggs from the cells of male mice, raising the prospect of male couples having their own children...

Not really, I grew all my babies in my uterus, that's its secondary function, the primary is still abject pointless misery every month or so.

It's no big deal

As I have said I find the language used around surrogacy quite de humanising.

OK, well, I think it's a surrogates personal choice and none of my business so...

Also FYI I wasn't referring to a surrogate as a uterus, I was simply referring to a uterus

I don't walk into a doctors office and say
"My woman hurts"

I don't actually really ever refer to myself a woman at all

I'm Violet with or without a uterus... preferably without but doctors eh

I don't suppose this research will be applicable to humans in the near future, but theoretically why not?
If a child is loved and wanted and science can help people to have a child I can see no harm in it.

The thing is lots of people do see ethical issues with surrogacy, it's why some European countries ban it, it's why there have been some horrendous exploitation of the most vulnerable wonen, that's without going into the issues that face those whose child has a disability. So I think its society's business really.

Well, that's a quick and easy way to stop gay men having kids

I suppose sperm donation is also unethical even though men do it for free on a good Saturday night so that rules out lesbians too

Can't have babies? Tough doo doo, you would have made a wonderful mum but its too unethical to use a surrogate, even though some would want to help you..

Marvelous, what misery and inequality can we spread next?

I know imagine thinking that an issue might be quite complex.

There is an inequality fundamental to paid surrogacy for example. But am guessing that inequality and misery doesnt count.

Well at least they’d only have one poor child, man-flu magnified, can you imagine it ? Why would they do experiments like this anyway? Can’t they look for cancer cures or something useful?

I am going to say this with emphasis

The answer to some humans taking advantage of other humans should not be something that is taken out on those human beings who want to give/receive help to/from each other

We safeguard it, we don't ban it

I've seen total strangers line up to be tested for donation

People give blood freely

It's a wonderful world despite the darkness

You cant compare children to giving blood.
I would be very very concerned if there were a financial incentive to that as well though.

I think once money is involved it's pretty impossible to safeguard.

I think you need more understanding about how it works financially where it is well safeguarded

Grantanow

No doubt some busybody will want to ban it.

I want to ban it. Too many children are being born, this is ludicrous.

It’s a long way from mice to humans, thank the Lord.

I dont need more understanding I just hold a different opinion to you.

VioletSky

Not really, I grew all my babies in my uterus, that's its secondary function, the primary is still abject pointless misery every month or so.

It's no big deal

Actually the primary function of your uterus is as an organ in which to safely gestate an infant. The fact that shedding its redundant lining each month causes you misery is just unfortunate, but does not downgrade its intended purpose.

I wonder if scientists are looking to create 'sperm' from two females to enable two women to have their own children...... nah thought not, and the men's rights activists won't be criticising them for their bias.

Children are not a commodity, nor a 'right'. They should never be bought nor sold and that applies at every level.

Good thought Rosie. I agree with you.

Galaxy

There is an inequality fundamental to paid surrogacy for example. But am guessing that inequality and misery doesnt count.

There’s an inequality with IVF too. Many people can’t access IVF via the NHS and the sum we paid for our daughter and son in law’s IVF at a top London clinic was eye watering. But worth it for the results.

Rosie51

Children are not a commodity, nor a 'right'. They should never be bought nor sold and that applies at every level.

Do you mean people shouldn’t pay for IVF?

Our gay son adopted his child, our grandson.

I am talking about the inequality between the surrogate and those who pay. Strangely enough it generally isnt the likes of Kim Kardashian who are being surrogates.

maddyone

Rosie51

Children are not a commodity, nor a 'right'. They should never be bought nor sold and that applies at every level.

Do you mean people shouldn’t pay for IVF?

No that's not what I mean. My own recent twin grandchildren were the result of IVF. I do know the heartache behind fertility issues. The multiple private IVF treatments necessary to enable the birth of these babies nearly bankrupted the couple, but that was their choice. Nobody else was involved, they didn't "rent a womb" or endanger a woman's life to carry a pregnancy for them.
I wept for my child's longing for a child, but I could never have condoned the 'purchase' of a child. Adoption is quite different. I still maintain the child is paramount, the parent/s are secondary.