What do you think animals think about sharing the planet with humans

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mae13_____________Today 02:00

The multifarious species we call 'animals' probably think - and know - that they can't trust we Homo Sapiens as far as they could throw us.

How right.

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I don’t know. The ones round here regard us as a food source I think. When I call my cats home birds arrive, the same ones mostly. They will eat out of my hand if I let them but I usually don’t because they might go up to someone who doesn’t like them. Our garden supports loads of different animals which is a bit difficult because they eat all the Vegies and fruit meant for us. Mean things. They have learned to remove all barriers like nets etc, cheeky blighters.

Macaydia

*mae13_____________Today 02:00*

The multifarious species we call 'animals' probably think - and know - that they can't trust we Homo Sapiens as far as they could throw us.

How right.

I agree with this. They must surely see us as a threat.

Macaydia

*mae13_____________Today 02:00*

The multifarious species we call 'animals' probably think - and know - that they can't trust we Homo Sapiens as far as they could throw us.

How right.

They cannot trust other animals either. In fact their life is lived in common wariness avoiding the next predator coming to get them.

I dislike the anthropomorphism of any animal. They do not think and respond like us and using them to castigate humans is a tired meme.

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Macaydia

mae13_____________Today 02:00

The multifarious species we call 'animals' probably think - and know - that they can't trust we Homo Sapiens as far as they could throw us.

How right.

I agree with this. They must surely see us as a threat.

Until you go to the Galapagos and realise that animals have not always been fearful of us.

We are a pariah species. Unfortunately our brains, in which we take such pride compared to other species, are almost certainly going to do for the world as we know it taking many other species down with us.

Those left will be glad to be shot of us I think.

I once heard an author say, "Who are we to say that a crab on the ocean floor does not look up at the stars and ponder the universe"

Is that what you mean about anthropomorphism?

Every animal cannot trust all other animals, including us.
The world is predicated on kill or be killed. Life is short and cruel for most. And spent in terror, looking out for the next predator.
I often wonder at this concept of a good god ... why might they choose to create such a perversely cruel system? Beats me .....
I avoid wildlife programmes .... sometimes there is beauty and brilliant cinematography but in the end it comes down to killing, killing and more killing.

Macaydia

I once heard an author say, "Who are we to say that a crab on the ocean floor does not look up at the stars and ponder the universe"

Is that what you mean about anthropomorphism?

Yes, because I do not beleive they have the right intelligence to do so. Animal, including humans have the intelligence they need to survive and replicate. One species developed further in developing ways to exploit its environment and we have primates.

But if other animals are capable of the forms of thought we have developed they would be on an eual basis with us.

The beasts are very wise,
Their mouths are clean of lies,
They talk one to the other,
Bullock to bullock brothers
Resting after their labors,
Each in stall with his neighbors,
But man with goad and whip,
Breaks up their fellowship,
Shouts in their silky ears
Filling their soul with fears.
When he has plowed the land,
He says: “they understand.”
But the beasts in stall together,
Freed from the yoke and tether,
Say as the torn flank smoke:
“Nay, ’twas the whip that spoke.”
(Rudyard Kipling, The Beasts are Very Wise)
~~~~~

Man = bad. Animals = good.
I really don't buy this.
We too are simply animals trying to survive as best we can. I think we have far more concern for our fellow animals than most animals do who just get on and kill each other.
I am not into this romantic poetic view of animals at all. Nor the idea that humans are somehow inherently evil.
The idea of original sin has deeply permeated our culture.

Macaydia

I once heard an author say, "Who are we to say that a crab on the ocean floor does not look up at the stars and ponder the universe"

Is that what you mean about anthropomorphism?

Macaydia, how would you imagine that this is even possible?

How can we compare animals for perceived and/or innate intelligence even within the same species, ie, a Spaniel against
a Belgian Malinois
Animals, even those who strategically hunt, track, ambush, alone or as a well co-ordinated team, ie lionesses, do so by instinct, generational memory, watching mama, there is no intelligence per se.

The soulful eyes of a Gorilla do not intelligence convey, a fanciful notion,
as is describing a household bound dog as ‘intellectual’

If philosophical crabs had intelligence, fewer would be caught.

I'm not rational when it comes to animals, as they have always been my passion.

I feel so sad when is see foxes and seagulls scavenging for food, because humans are driving them to do so. Don't get me started on the new builds that are destroying hedgerows and green spaces where nesting birds and wildlife are being destroyed.

Speaking of speaking, without our developed languages and written word, humans might not be the King of the Beasts. Even with thought.

Still, we are not as intelligent as an octopus.

We have thumbs and can make things.
It was once assumed, in our ignorance and arrogance, that we were the only tool makers on this planet.

SORES, I find it interesting that I disagree with everything you said. I must be mad or utterly stupid.

I believe mammals learn from other family members (except for octopuses).

I believe humans act on primal instincts often.

I believe gorillas are intelligent and emotional and have human-like motives within their tribes.

I believe some dogs are intelligent and some are obviously not.

I think an entity can be philosophical and killed by other species..

I don't think being intelligent prevents a creature from being 'caught'.

I have created a bit of a wild life haven in my garden with a pond, grasses, wild flowers, nest bow etc, etc, and it is full of bees, birds, squirrels - the lot.

But when I watch them and admire their beauty I am acutely aware that what seems sweet bobbing around by the birds is simply them on edge and on the lookout for something that might kill them, steal their food, eat their young.

I'm in total awe of most animals, how hard they have to work to find food, raise their young and stay alive. The sheer determination of rebuilding a nest or the bravery of a mum defending her brood.
The little wren singing out to others in freezing weather that she has found a 'sharing' shelter, amazing!
I don't think they would understand our wasteful attitude or self destruction and would be probably pity us!

Every species has evolved a strategy that enables them to survive, some lead simple solitary lives only associating for reproduction, others live in colonies or groups. Of the higher animals some mate for life, some live in groups with a dominant male.

Males will fight, to keep dominance, females fight to defend offspring or find food, they are all are intelligent to the extent needed which they learn off the parents. Many show emotion and affection but the life and death cycle in wild animals is not not a prime concern - survival comes first

Our social structure is much more complex, we are just smart apes, our intelligence is not always used in a positive way

Interesting the concept - every species has evolved a way to survive.

We appear to have gone one stage further and evolved to destroy

Luckygirl3

Every animal cannot trust all other animals, including us.
The world is predicated on kill or be killed. Life is short and cruel for most. And spent in terror, looking out for the next predator.
I often wonder at this concept of a good god ... why might they choose to create such a perversely cruel system? Beats me .....
I avoid wildlife programmes .... sometimes there is beauty and brilliant cinematography but in the end it comes down to killing, killing and more killing.

Same here I too avoid those for the same reason.

The way to think that God is good is to think of God as what is good about every person-- we cannot ever know of course, bur the existential search for good is what matters.

The one species that I think has benefitted most from humans is dogs. They are lazy, sociable creatures, and they have us sussed.